James Cameron hopes for ‘Avengers’ fatigue: ‘There are other stories to tell’ in sci-fi'
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Justice League not making $100 million in it's opening weekend domestic box office was pretty great too.
Yes. There is so much that your post implies actually.
It's the reason why Trump won, Palmer Luckey was right in think peole could steer the election with a few popular memes even if they have no basis in truth.
It's pretty much a strawman argument. We've gotten Blade Runner 2049, Ex Machina, Arrival, etc, etc. in the time of MCU, not ot mention lots of quality tv series scifi.
In Cameron's case, the last time he did something resembling serious scifi was Abyss, and the script of Strange Days. A great director, but not perhaps the best guy to talk about this.
In Cameron's case, the last time he did something resembling serious scifi was Abyss, and the script of Strange Days. A great director, but not perhaps the best guy to talk about this.
Lol. The principle of free speech is not a meme, if that's what you're implying.
Hating on free speech, for example by posting a picture of a frozen peach is the meme. A meme designed to undermine one of the most important foundational principles of any democratic government.
Arrival and Ex Machina are pretty low-budget affairs when put up against the likes of virtually any MCU film. Most studios will not invest substantial money in non franchises in the current superhero climate.
Blade Runner 2049 is arguably a flop, considering its $150 production budget and sub $300 WW gross.
TV in general is great and in my opinion better than ever, sure, but Cameron is clearly talking about cinematic, theatrical experiences.
That's really the wild part isn't it. He's not some nobody, he's a powerful and influential director who has made hit after hit after hit. Moreso than most folks, he's in a position to be the change he wants to see. He could have been out there making The Real Sci Fi He Craves and people would line up in the streets for it.
...so were Arrival and Ex Machina bad sci fi films because they didn't have MCU budgets? Sorry, I'm not really following your response here.
I mean, super hero movie budgets and focuses are inarguably taking away from other films being made, so I think you're incorrect.
Movie studios only have X amount of money and there are only so many profitable weekends in a year. A terminal amount of movies can be made and the ratio of comic book films is higher than ever.
It's strange seeing my two favorite creators pitted against each other.
My entire top 10 most entertaining movies of all time consists of James Cameron's movies, Christopher Nolan's movies and Marvel's The Winter Soldier and Black Panther.
My entire top 10 most entertaining movies of all time consists of James Cameron's movies, Christopher Nolan's movies and Marvel's The Winter Soldier and Black Panther.
Literally not one word of this makes any fucking sense.
Did Iron Man 3 cause Snowpiercer to never get made? Did the $200 million spent on Guardians of the Galaxy prevent Interstellar from existing?
See, this is a strawman argument.
I never said those specific movies weren't funded because of super hero movies. I said the budgets of time and money result in movie studios having to decide between what projects to make and comic book films are, of course, the safest bets right now.
And let's not act like Snowpiercer and Interstellar were considered commonplace in the box office when they arrived. They are celebrated and noted for being atypical releases in the landscape of modern movies.
Everytime someone posts examples against your claim that superhero movies causing big budget sci-fi films to not be made, you handwave it away as strawmanning or it doesn't count because it didn't make as much money as the biggest blockbusters out there.
Well it's not one giant one but yeah some can be. What's interesting is also how selective some of those memes can make people think. The similarities between Moana and Pocahontas is downright ridiculous but I challenge you to find as many people who think that's a valid criticism for that movie as people who apply the same for Avatar.
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Arrival, Snowpiercer, and Ex Machina are not "big budget."
Now look at, say, Ant-Man.
I'm not hand waving anything. Calm down.
Disney isn't exactly scraping budgets together for their movies. Neither is WB. Weak argument.
And for the record, BR2049 was my movie of the year last year. People need to quit being so butthurt over comic movies.
Meanwhile, Mad Max: Fury Road was made for $150 million.Arrival, Snowpiercer, and Ex Machina are not "big budget."
Now look at, say, Ant-Man.
I'm not hand waving anything. Calm down.
Did you watch Fury Road when it was in theatres?
There's plenty of weekends not dominated by Marvel and DC. Maybe Studios need to be smart on when to release their movies.
But hasn't it always been like this? Blockbuster movies getting the more attention and bigger budget as opposed to other riskier projects. And it's not like the MCU is making other films fail. Blade Runner failed without any competition from comic book films.
Besides, it's only one studio funding the MCU. It's not taking away from other films' budget. Just don't release a film the same week a MCU movie releases.
Sure, I loved it, but that example wasn't example presented yet, was it? I mean, if you're going to try and made the thread so personal and all and then claim Snowpiercer was "big budget."
At any rate, Mad Max not being made wasn't really the crux of my posts. It was that people like Cameron are afraid big budgets are going to going to the same comic book well at a questionable frequency. Of course other films are being made, but again: Mad Max was commended for being a bit of a rarity and a standout film. It was profitable but not exactly a MCU hit.
Movie studios are businesses. If they see comic book films generating the most bang for their buck they'll see the risk aversion and go for cape films more and more (like they have) and Fury Roads less and less (like they are).
Of course, but I think Cameron's concerns stem from there being fewer weekends available for non cape films.
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And it probably lost money, unfortunately.
What lesson do you think Warner Brothers learned from Blade Runner 2049 performing poorly despite great reviews?
You can play up similarities between any two movies as long as you hand pick what you're comparing.
The recent meme that The Shape of Water and Paddington 2 are the same movie was very funny and effective using selective picking, but that doesn't make it true.
He's right tho.
Interstellar was 2014.
Martian was 2015, and I wouldn't even call it sci fi in the traditional sense.
Arrival wasn't particularly big budget.
Superhero movies are more like escapist fluff fantasy movies to me so they dont scratch that itch at all. Okay for 1 viewing and that's it.
Interstellar was 2014.
Martian was 2015, and I wouldn't even call it sci fi in the traditional sense.
Arrival wasn't particularly big budget.
Superhero movies are more like escapist fluff fantasy movies to me so they dont scratch that itch at all. Okay for 1 viewing and that's it.
Sure this is true you can play up similarities between anything. But Moana-Pocahontas similarities are again pretty heavy. You have Native Girl from a pre-Colonial society who is the village chief's daughter that is slowly seeing her role as the Chief's daughter deciding her future against her own personal wishes while a grandmother figure gives her advice to believe in herself and follow her dream. She has a big song about water that's a metaphor for freedom. Then they both have antagonists that have a big thing about treasure and do a song about being shiny.
I very recently watched Pocahontas and came to this realization pretty quickly that Moana really is just a better version of that movie. Then I learned Lindsay Ellis made a video that said more or less something along those lines and detailed that the similarities went even deeper than I had noticed.
Anyways, the point isn't that I think Moana is a bad movie because it copies Pocahontas, but that it's not at all a valid standalone criticism to say a movie is similar to another. Avatar being similar to any another movie doesn't automatically mean it's a trash movie or bad by any means.
The absolute disrespectful comments here towards JC are without a doubt the meanest comments I've read here since the last JC thread. This man revolutionized, and reinvented the modern blockbuster. He deserves every right to criticize MCU, Thor, Vince Russo, and his brother.
Sure, and people are free to criticize him right back. Just because he's had a large impact on the film industry himself doesn't make his word unassailable.
I love Cameron and the world building in Avatar, but dude is coming off very pretentious
These so called Avengers film have been carrying the heavy load for movie theaters
Remember before Iron Man started this whole thing, there was concern that movie theaters were going to go the way of brick and mortar or mom and pop shops, cause ticket prices were escalating and technology advancing for home viewing really was going to be the downfall
Then the movies became go to movies to watch, then became Events for certain merging titles
Hell Hollywood without CBM right now would be in dire states
These so called Avengers film have been carrying the heavy load for movie theaters
Remember before Iron Man started this whole thing, there was concern that movie theaters were going to go the way of brick and mortar or mom and pop shops, cause ticket prices were escalating and technology advancing for home viewing really was going to be the downfall
Then the movies became go to movies to watch, then became Events for certain merging titles
Hell Hollywood without CBM right now would be in dire states
Well some people are less criticizing and more saying "Shut up old man! What do you know? All you did was remake Fern Gully!" I wouldn't say they are anything but disrespectful.
TIL Mad Max: Fury Road is sci-fi in the vein of Arrival, Ex Machima, Interstellar and The Martian.
Yeah, but there's a difference between Cameron's even-handedness (and even complimentary) words and the crap being written about him as if he hasn't made "enjoyable" films.
The man has spent the last two decades giving his mind, and body to absolute classics. I see no reason whatsoever for people to go after a well respected veteran who is defending his art form from a corporate giant, and their cookie cutter films.
He's spent the last decade working on the Avatar Cinematic Universe though? Seems a bit premature to label them as "absolute classics" when they haven't even been released yet.
If James Cameron thinks that the MCU are science fiction movies then he clearly hasn't watched them and his statement just comes out as him being bitter that they are popular.
BR2049 broke the streak. Martian, Gravity, Interstellar, Arrival. A more realistic scifi in the fall kept doing good.
Lol @ "defending his art". I had no idea the MCU was attacking his art.
He's made exactly one film in the last two decades, and that single film wasn't one that I would consider an "absolute classic".
A part of me feels like Cameron is secretly superstitious, and he says these kinds of things to drum up stupid, petty hate, because people sharpening their knives before his releases has been part of so many of his resounding successes.
Maybe Cameron HAS to have people willing him to fail, in order to set the perfect conditions for him to succeed. Like Hal in that Malcolm in the Middle episode, creating his perfect bowling conditions every time.
Maybe Cameron HAS to have people willing him to fail, in order to set the perfect conditions for him to succeed. Like Hal in that Malcolm in the Middle episode, creating his perfect bowling conditions every time.