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Jeff Grubb implies free F2P Xbox Live is still happening, was just delayed
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Same reason they gave up all that retail first-party game sales money, by putting their games on Game Pass. Playing a bigger, longer game.
At the very least f2p shouldn't require gold, but I still think the pay wall is coming down regardless.
If MS intention is to convert Xbox model to a service based one makes a lot of sense. Offering people a proper service to play games rather than just the ability to play online sounds a way better strategy. Sony better to catch up fast.
I'm very happy to eat crow, but I'm 100% with you on this. The F2P paywall is so dumb and shouldn't exist, however I just really don't think that Gold goes away.
I don't think that was him. As far as I I remember other Microsoft insiders have backed down but Grubb hasn't.
There's no way they're giving up on XBL Gold. Making F2P titles is a common sense move and, at the outside, tie Gold in with GamePass for $3-4pm extra.
I agree that is the bare minimum Microsoft needs to do. It is such an unnecessary marketing advantage they are handing to Sony.
Lmao. Talk about revisionist history. PS3 success or failure had nothing to do with free online. It caught up with the 360 because the 360 is not popular outside US and UK. Even despite the 360 being less popular in those regions all that, it still sold the same as the PS3 at the end of the generation
That's being rather disingenuous don't you think? Their stellar 1st party games had a bigger impact on them 'surviving it' way more than offering free multiplayer.
Yeah this what I think too. Wouldn't make sense to throw away billions in easy revenue like that. I know they're worth a trillion dollars but theyre not stupid.
Thanks for the update. I really need to hold back my expectations when i read tweets that say that playing online is gonna be free. It would be juicy news, but do I need to stay out of dreamland?
Is the rumor about having Xbox Live free for everyone or just included for "free" with GamePass.
I feel the most likely scenario is that it just gets integrated into GamePass. Not exactly free but a much better deal than what it is now. I can understand why they would, not many are willing to pay for two different services on the same machine. This way they are probably going to gain alot more traction with GamePass.
if true, this would be genius move by microsoft.
sony is never gonna give up their sub money without pressure from competition. and we all know what really makes these consoles big hits are the cod/fifa/fortnite people who only (or mostly) play online.
i genuinely think this could help microsoft close the gap with sony, even more than a good 1st party lineup.
sony is never gonna give up their sub money without pressure from competition. and we all know what really makes these consoles big hits are the cod/fifa/fortnite people who only (or mostly) play online.
i genuinely think this could help microsoft close the gap with sony, even more than a good 1st party lineup.
They'd hope that in the long term, the increase in MP usage would increase their sales volume enough to offset the loss of xbl subscriptions.
It made PS the obvious console of choice for people who didnt want to pay for MP
Xbox executive: "So we have this thing where people give us a billion dollars a year expecting nothing in return. Let's get rid of it."
And then the executive was fired.
And then the executive was fired.
Because it could win them the generation and they'll still get money from game pass.
They won't make the lost revenue back with GamePass. That's just not possible.
Most people only care about playing online.
And free online >>>>> "feature rich" paid online.
This was most definitely the case in my part of the world and a huge deciding factor when buying a console back then.
I don't see it, a $299 Series S will bring in alot of new people without them having to give up the Gold sub.
This is going to be a huge deal when it happens.
This is a direct, very attractive aggressive feature that will only help MS. I doubt Sony will drop PS+, and if they don't, it will be another "value add" MS can market along with things like XCloud, Gamepass, Smart Delivery, and Backward Compatibility.
This makes me excited because competition is a win for consumers. I'm sure Sony will have their own list of things like this also, but it feels like the2 companies are diverging on strategy/focus for the future.
This is a direct, very attractive aggressive feature that will only help MS. I doubt Sony will drop PS+, and if they don't, it will be another "value add" MS can market along with things like XCloud, Gamepass, Smart Delivery, and Backward Compatibility.
This makes me excited because competition is a win for consumers. I'm sure Sony will have their own list of things like this also, but it feels like the2 companies are diverging on strategy/focus for the future.
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