Wish could honestly say what I feel about this guy without getting banned or put on a damn watch list. I hope for nothing but terrible things for him and this kind of thing should be proof enough that America is a failed nation.
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It's easy enough to go after both.
I don't think anyone here thinks the GOP Senators are great. I live in a state with two of 'em. I know how awful they are.
Maybe, but they're not the ones negotiating on this bill. If he's really asking for something that low he may as well be asking to eliminate the ctc altogether
True but it really depends on if one thinks that a senator should do what's best for everyone or what their constituents want. Most people don't seem to want the ctc permanent which is mind-boggling.
34% polled said that the program should "definitely not" be extended and 18% said "No, probably not". I don't even understand.
I will never understand how someone can be so morally bankrupt and blatantly corrupt, fucking over millions in the process for marginal wealth that is equivalent to a drop in the bucket of your net worth.
It didn't use to be like that. In the '80s, the GOP and Democrat talking points were all about blue collar workers as being the best of the country. Even then it wasn't necessarily about those workers being able to become rich, but at least they were lauded as valuable to society. But in the last 20 years that script has flipped as the wealth gap has massively increased, to where it's almost a moral argument that rich people are just better humans than the rest of us. That our poverty must be a moral or talent failing and that people who need things from the State are just taking advantage of the godly, successful people. And Donald Trump was the prime example of their new order. His perceived richness made him almost godlike in the eyes of the faithful, and people that don't have money were seen as his subjects. It's much like the way the Catholic Church historically controlled their members by creating a church hierarchy that was seen as holier than the masses of sinners.
Manchin when you think about is just using a very lite version of Trump's playbook. Act moderate at times, make weak overtures to appear like he wants to unite everyone, but secretly work to undo everything Democrats care about.
I don't mind a means test, but 60k is way too low. Unfortunately most of the public doesn't care about the CTC so the Dems probably won't fight it.
I'm deeply suspicious of America's hatred of the poor and in particular the cultural image of "welfare families milking the government with lots of children".
There's already plenty of people who hate any of their taxes going to public education because "I shouldn't have to pay for someone else's kid to go to school".
If you think about it it's a stimulus for poor yacht builders. /s
Shit. This one is going to hurt. Having that extra $300 a month was really helping and we would lose it with this
This really is surprising. I know that the CTC is helping us and I am sure alot of families with kids are noticing the difference it makes. I'm not sure why so many people would want it to end. If polls are saying this, then I guess I can see why he targeted it as one of the ways to decrease spending on the bill (which imo really does not need to be done, the bills pricetag wa s fine as is).
Yup. I hate it so much.
Lifting people out of poverty should not require people to work.
I don't think it's all that surprising considering America doesn't care about those in poverty.
I don't think he's doing it because of the polls, necessarily. I think he drinks that same kool-aid.
You could see it on this very forum. People without kids complaining how they were getting nothing and how they shouldn't be punished just because they decided not to have kids.
People in this country really don't like when others, even those who clearly need it more, get something extra.
I agree, alot of people won't care just because it is decreasing poverty, which is unfortunate. The real reason I am suprised is because alot of these people will be getting checks. I guess not the older population, but alot of middle class families get out and vote too, and most of them will be getting these checks. Usually people don't want to cut the money they are getting.
Ultimately you're still punishing the kids and it isn't their fault if their parents don't work.
These privileged pieces of trash make me sick. Gotta genuflect first before the capitalism gods before you're entitled to eat. 🙄
That he wouldn't touch the filibuster to pass something as vitally important as fucking voting rights says it all about his true character
Joe Manchin is a white supremacist and this work requirement bullshit is clearly aimed as it is for obvious reasons. America would have a much wider safety net if it had Scandinavian demographics
That he wouldn't touch the filibuster to pass something as vitally important as fucking voting rights says it all about his true character
Joe Manchin is a white supremacist and this work requirement bullshit is clearly aimed as it is for obvious reasons. America would have a much wider safety net if it had Scandinavian demographics
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They do when they think other people who don't "deserve" the money are getting it.
These work requirements are so immoral it makes my head spin. I understand the idea behind incentivizing individuals but has there ever been evidence that this works for these incredibly vulnerable people? If so then I've never seen it.
Maybe somebody can explain this to me... what is even the point of listening to him any more? It seems to me he's not negotiating in good faith--if one of his conditions is accepted he just seems to come up with another one?
And also in my opinion it's not just him and Sinema. I'm pretty sure there are others who are simply using these two as a shield.
And also in my opinion it's not just him and Sinema. I'm pretty sure there are others who are simply using these two as a shield.
Work requirements are fucked up for this. The income cap is especially fucked up. I have friends who make a bit more money than this, but the money has been hugely helpful to them. It was the difference between sending their kid, who I consider my nephew, to a pre-school that had no mask requirements and active COVID and sending him to a decent school where they actually protect the kids against COVID. Fuck, man.
Wow... thought it was per person and that was bad enough. Per family is just freaking ghoulish. I guess that Yacht won't pay for itself.
Yep, and this is why this nation will go to utter ruin. The people cannot organize like they once did hundreds of years ago.
But like, why? Wouldnt it be better to do something vs nothing long term?
Because I believe that every human life has value and should be taken care of whether they work or not.
If one wants to look at it fiscally, work requirements costs a ton of money to keep track of. It can be cheaper to just give the funds rather than spend it all or more on administrative costs.
Yes, it's real.
The US tax code was always filled with benefits for yacht owners, but this specific provision is some extra brazen garbage that was passed under Trump, and the fact that you don't hear anyone even talk about repealing it, even though it would be amazingly popular, tells you everything you need to know about American politics.
A few more facts:
It's not gonna be enough to try pressing Manchin and Sinema. We need to push the rest of Congress to whip them in line or face punishment. More importantly, we must hit where it hurts the most, the corporate lobbyists they represent.
- Manchin supported the Bank bailouts back in '08.
- He owns a big coal mining business AND is on Biden's Climate committee.
- He has a gigantic mansion. You can easily Google it.
It's not gonna be enough to try pressing Manchin and Sinema. We need to push the rest of Congress to whip them in line or face punishment. More importantly, we must hit where it hurts the most, the corporate lobbyists they represent.
Because human life isn't worth something only if the person works. That's not even getting into punishing kids just because their parents don't have a job.
Wait till you hear how he (and his daughter) got most of their wealth.Remember, this is the same dude who told his constituents from his fucking yacht that he is fighting for West Virginians. What an absolute piece of shit.
Biden doesn't get to move forward with this. It's not up to him.
Disney recently increased the minimum wage to $15. Pretty much telling the minorities that they're having it pretty well
