I mean this is the guy who can't even say he supports gay marriage clearly (because he very likely doesn't but knows saying so would pin him down)
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Jordan Peterson - The "Intellectual" We Deserve
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I mean this is the guy who can't even say he supports gay marriage clearly (because he very likely doesn't but knows saying so would pin him down)
If anyone uses the phrase cultural Marxism, then they are idiots that don't understand what they are talking about.
If anyone uses the phrase cultural Marxism to describe post-modernism, then they are idiots that ironically don't understand what they are talking about.
If anyone uses the phrase cultural Marxism to describe post-modernism, then they are idiots that ironically don't understand what they are talking about.
No. It didn't. You're conflating people's reaction to Peterson with how Peterson thinks Bill-C16 would work. They're not the same. And one doesn't prove the other.
This. So much this.
He was a footnote, in Alberta. I can count on one hand the number of people that knew him before Shepherd. I work in a University, after Shepherd we had a bloody training course.
No, I'm conflating too diametrically opposed professors having the same misunderstanding on a bill.
That you didn't know doesn't mean that's when he became famous.
You work in a university and you hadn't heard of this guy when he put out his list of professors who were cultural marxists? It was huge news in academia.
I've been vaguely aware of him. General population and students didn't. Toronto isn't the center of the universe, startling I know.
I'm not talking about Toronto, I've never even been there. The list was broader than that. We had university wide emails about it sent by the administration in my university in a different country.
People were genuinely concerned about safety. I recall at least one article about it in The Chronicle of Higher Education.
I'd seen some of his bad takes here and there but I hadn't realized he was this popular/well regarded, huh. He's entirely ridiculous, but at the same time I can see how just dumping enough words into vague enough writing can convince people that you know what you're talking about, and that you agree with them.
Which of course means that instead of just being ridiculous off in his own corner, he's actively harmful.
Which of course means that instead of just being ridiculous off in his own corner, he's actively harmful.
Was it ever publicly released? I thought he recanted; probably after being threatened with lawsuits.
It must have been released in some form because certain people knew they were on it.
wow this dude has gone to places, I meet him as a personality teacher. That's it. And his classes were a mess, with his fixation of Disney movies archetypes, at least he recognize that -sometimes-.
Can't believe this guys is the public face of the University of Toronto.
Worth mentioning most academics here, at least the ones I've encountered, think he's a professional contrarian, which is a nice way of saying disingenuous asshole.
I wonder if he thinks his fall from grace was worth it, back when I had him as a teacher he was well regarded by students and faculty- personally speaking, sacrificing academic integrity just to have material wealth and fame seems like a trade-off that only seems lucrative in the short term. I would assume that as an academic he would value things like intellectual relevancy and the respect of his peers more than the Youtube comments section.
Worth mentioning most academics here, at least the ones I've encountered, think he's a professional contrarian, which is a nice way of saying disingenuous asshole.
I wonder if he thinks his fall from grace was worth it, back when I had him as a teacher he was well regarded by students and faculty- personally speaking, sacrificing academic integrity just to have material wealth and fame seems like a trade-off that only seems lucrative in the short term. I would assume that as an academic he would value things like intellectual relevancy and the respect of his peers more than the Youtube comments section.
Was gonna post this myself, but yeah one of Peterson's tactics is staying just ambiguous enough to give himself some wiggle room. The fact that someone tells him that they're against Gay Marriage because of "Cultural Marxist" and he agrees with them that that's a good enough reason undermines the facade he tries to put up.
i find it interesting this thread as been allowed to continue unlike situations where his excerpts have been posted in a not so negative light.
i haven't really read up too much on him but this disingenuous behaviour certainly pushes me to take him more seriously than i would've.
i haven't really read up too much on him but this disingenuous behaviour certainly pushes me to take him more seriously than i would've.
One of the universities here in Nova Scotia has to deal with their own free speech nutcase now thanks to Peterson, spending time in his psychology class explaining to students that there is no gendered wage gap in Canada, that multiculturalism is a scam, and that any efforts to offer reparations to the native people in Nova Scotia is just them trying to take advantage of white people by making them feel guilty about everything. Example from our own Peterson-like professor:
Source: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...es-campus-free-speech-debate/article38199740/
Same as Peterson, he hides behind the right to free speech (along with the fact that he's unionized) to seemingly avoid any punishment, while teaching his students with articles he likely pulls from Breitbart. And the other teachers are mostly afraid to publicly say anything, out of fear of their own jobs for the ones who aren't unionized (from my own personal source on the ground).
It's insane.
I honestly do not believe there is a single person who can respect Peterson even a single bit after actually reading into the things he argues against, rather than just listening to his interpretation of them. You sort of see how much of it falls apart the moment you realize he's talking out of his ass. That actually reading the laws he references, and finding the actual sources for statistics, paints a very different picture than the one he's trying to sell people on.
Source: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...es-campus-free-speech-debate/article38199740/
Same as Peterson, he hides behind the right to free speech (along with the fact that he's unionized) to seemingly avoid any punishment, while teaching his students with articles he likely pulls from Breitbart. And the other teachers are mostly afraid to publicly say anything, out of fear of their own jobs for the ones who aren't unionized (from my own personal source on the ground).
It's insane.
I honestly do not believe there is a single person who can respect Peterson even a single bit after actually reading into the things he argues against, rather than just listening to his interpretation of them. You sort of see how much of it falls apart the moment you realize he's talking out of his ass. That actually reading the laws he references, and finding the actual sources for statistics, paints a very different picture than the one he's trying to sell people on.
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Truth is that which increases your chances of survival and reproduction? That which does not serve life is not true?
I'm all for philosophical discussions and what not, but that is such a...stupid definition of truth that is so easily counter-able (and it is, later in the video).
JBP is a nut case honestly.
Ayy mans know, I actually liked the class back then xD
I don't even thinks he's around anymore, took a sabbatical or something. Thank god too, those "free speech" rallies in front of Sidney Smith drove me nuts. Lets just say it was at one of these rallies I saw people unironically wearing MAGA hats...
The rise of Jordan Peterson is a result of extreme leftists arguing with their emotions which always looks and sounds bad.
The only thing that's missing from a Jordan Peterson debate is "U Mad? U Mad. Y U Mad tho?"
His followers LOVE it. Every second YouTube video relating to him is titled "Jordan Peterson DESTROYS ________"
If it weren't for that, I have no doubt that Jordan Peterson would just be a relatively insignificant self-help dude.
The only thing that's missing from a Jordan Peterson debate is "U Mad? U Mad. Y U Mad tho?"
His followers LOVE it. Every second YouTube video relating to him is titled "Jordan Peterson DESTROYS ________"
If it weren't for that, I have no doubt that Jordan Peterson would just be a relatively insignificant self-help dude.
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Peterson is famous because he made a trans rights bill about how he's gonna go to jail and starve.
I'm gonna let you in on a little secret: Shitting on trans people is a lucrative market.
I wasn't aware that those lefties were giving him tens of thousands of dollars a month on Patreon to own the cons or whatever but sure, let's go with the asinine explanation that it's somehow the fault of anyone remotely to the left of the guy whose thoughts on Disney films are on par with Mike Pence.
Those threads weren't locked because of the way the excepts were posted, they were locked because they became complete shitshows. And this thread might, too, it's still fresh and more of his bigger fans don't seem to be there yet.
Jordan Peterson is having a bit of a melty on twitter tonight, I'd recommend checking it out
Edit oh wait I'm late
Edit oh wait I'm late
After watching this I don't see what was so dishonest about the cut. A lot of what was cut out of the interview felt almost more damning than what's in there.
Me too, his stuff really resonates with me. I've been pimping out his videos to my friends and family.
Someone wrote a mean thing about his shitty book where he talks about wanting to hit a child and barely restraining himself.
As an adult, he has chosen The Rational Way™ to deal with this by having a hissy fit. Because psychology.
Wait, let me guess. He doesn't believe white privilege is a thing again.
Edit: He appears to be circle-jerking with...himself?
This is how he's reacted to every bad review he's gotten
He tweeted at Ira Wells for like ten hours lmao
He has his legion of lost boys but none of his peers respect him and it's making him crazy
You haven't made a post in over 3 months and then this.
You're being a little transparent here.
Gotta work on your script, little see through. But yeah man, no ones stopping you from taking idiots seriously, have fun.
Or, if you wanted to read up, there are some awesome links and videos posted in this very thread. I'm most of the way through the rationality rules one, and I think I'll subscribe after I finish watching. Really good stuff, thanks to whoever posted it!
Can you actually point out what is wrong in that video. The edited version doesn't seem to change anything. I don't get what we're supposed to be seeing
For the record the quotes from that article are from a different professor, Rick Mehta
So you don't agree that he's been given a platform by leftist media to express his views against emotionally charged interviewers which has in turn created more interest in him?
And sorry, but I did say extreme leftist, not "anyone remotely to the left of the guys whose thoughts on Disney films are on par with Mike Pence.". That type of emotionally charged response is exactly what Peterson and his followers look for because it elevates them.
The impression I have is that the Media is maintaining Peterson's fame. Same as Milo, same as fucken' Ben Shapiro and any other supposedly intellectual right winger. The media supposedly hates these guys but yet they're on their channels, debating against less informed, emotionally invested people which makes these guys come off as intellectual...
Stop giving these people a platform beyond their own YouTube channels and they will settle into their own corner of their internet, along with the racists, Nazis and other hate groups.
Yeah I should've written that out more clearly, my opening paragraph is specifically about that professor.
There is no leftist media giving him a platform.
What are you talking about.
i sat through a peterson interview once at the behest of one of his supporters and wrote a long-winded response to it - they never responded
he writes exactly like i wrote when i was a teenager, trying to hide something that i felt burning emotions for behind the plausible deniability of overcomplicated language and drawing from disparate fields so no one person was likely to fully grasp the material - except i wrote primarily about not being able to express my sexuality and he writes primarily about not feeling respected enough as an authority figure
i'm pretty sure we've written the exact same paragraphs on ORDER and CHAOS, except we used them to justify opposite conclusions
except my weird non-sequitur metaphors were deliberately written as an absurdist joke that served to take the edge off of whatever i didn't feel comfortable expressing, and his seem to be played completely straight
he writes exactly like i wrote when i was a teenager, trying to hide something that i felt burning emotions for behind the plausible deniability of overcomplicated language and drawing from disparate fields so no one person was likely to fully grasp the material - except i wrote primarily about not being able to express my sexuality and he writes primarily about not feeling respected enough as an authority figure
i'm pretty sure we've written the exact same paragraphs on ORDER and CHAOS, except we used them to justify opposite conclusions
except my weird non-sequitur metaphors were deliberately written as an absurdist joke that served to take the edge off of whatever i didn't feel comfortable expressing, and his seem to be played completely straight
The best thing is these are posted 23 minutes apart:
He's swearing and yelling and threatening and then goes buy my book it's #1 literally 23 minutes later.
Yeah, I think he hid it better than many. That allowed him to get invited more places.
I agree it seems people should be more careful about booking him and giving him unneeded exposure. Let him tweet to gamergate and ignore him.
I disagree that it's the left's fault. It's his fault, and the fault of his racist sexist transphobic followers who are funding him for lending their hateful idealogies the veneer of legitimacy.
It's always a battle of who to debate down with words, and who to deplatform. I think JP is pretty clearly disingenuous and should be deplatformed.
You're always gonna find people on the left who are willing to debate, either genuinely or as a punching bag, because $$$.
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No. You should stop reading Rebel articles or wherever you're getting this nonsense from.
I disagree.
It seems to me that we're heading down a path where I'll be painted as attacking the left so I'll leave it at that.
- "Meaning is manifestation of the divine individual adaptive path"
- "Meaning is the ultimate balance between… the chaos of transformation and the possibility and…the discipline of pristine order"
- "Meaning is an expression of the instinct that guides us out into the unknown so that we can conquer it"
- "Meaning is when everything there is comes together in an ecstatic dance of single purpose"
- "Meaning means implication for behavioral output"
- "Meaning emerges from the interplay between the possibilities of the world and the value structure operating within that world"
and i graduated beyond using flowery metaphors to prove my points and into the realm of epistemology to more explicitly map out the cognitive processes i was referencing
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