It's obviously not rape by the definition of law, but the poster is completely accurate in calling it as such. If a women is being forced into prostitution, as was happening here, every person taking advantage of her services are essentially raping her. How can there be consent if the entire premise is without any to begin with? This is part of the reason why human trafficking is taken so seriously by law enforcement, and why people going to fake massage parlors are charged with a crime, because at least they can get them for something for being complicit in large scale victimization and rape of women.
I mean, you have no obligation to defend this just cause you are a fan of a team, one person doesn't represent an entire corporation. Fuck him.Yeah, you know what. I'm trying to defend this and I just can't. Fuck Kraft.
Man I've been confused for like two decades, all this time I thought Kraft made his money in his ownership of Gillette. I didn't know it was just a naming deal on the stadium.Gillette is a sponsor of the Pats and has the naming rights to the Pat's stadium.
better get used to it, there are gonna be a lot pats fans saying stupid shit like that.
Kraft also had the agency not to rape a woman, yet here we are.
I realize that they are but that doesn't tell us Kraft's involvement. Him only being charged with solicitation points to him not knowing beyond regular prostitution, which usually isn't rape.
Wonder if Gillette will re-evaluate their relationship with the Pats now...
uh ohjust saw a tweet that said Adam Schefter on ESPN said this isn't even the biggest name on the list.
What's your point? That we can't call a rapist a "rapist" if we can't prove that he knew he was having sex with someone that can't consent?
If we're all honest, we can admit that the same thing would be happening with any organization in any big American sport.
Sports fandom is disgustingly toxic. A quick look at Facebook sites for Boston and related news organizations shows a number of fans saying shit like, "Good on him!" and then, to be fair, other Patriots fans arguing and pointing out that it was related to a sex ring.
Not familiar with the dude, but how has he's been a scumbag? Amongst NFL owners, I always thought he was one of the better ones, morally speaking. Always seemed very gracious in media appearances too.If the organization is smart, they will force him to step down fucking immediately. Jonathan Kraft will then spend years trying to make up for his father being a scumbag.
just saw a tweet that said Adam Schefter on ESPN said this isn't even the biggest name on the list.
when's outside the lines come on?just saw a tweet that said Adam Schefter on ESPN said this isn't even the biggest name on the list.
Not familiar with the dude, but how has he's been a scumbag? Amongst NFL owners, I always thought he was one of the better ones, morally speaking. Always seemed very gracious in media appearances too.
Not familiar with the dude, but how has he's been a scumbag? Amongst NFL owners, I always thought he was one of the better ones, morally speaking. Always seemed very gracious in media appearances too.
Not familiar with the dude, but how has he's been a scumbag? Amongst NFL owners, I always thought he was one of the better ones, morally speaking. Always seemed very gracious in media appearances too.
Not familiar with the dude, but how has he's been a scumbag? Amongst NFL owners, I always thought he was one of the better ones, morally speaking.
He is. This is his first big, massive fuck up. Oh, besides his friendship with Trump.
Not familiar with the dude, but how has he's been a scumbag? Amongst NFL owners, I always thought he was one of the better ones, morally speaking. Always seemed very gracious in media appearances too.
man, this is wild. wonder who else could be on the list.just saw a tweet that said Adam Schefter on ESPN said this isn't even the biggest name on the list.
I read it. I'm talking before this case! lol
You would never be able to prove that unless he was actively assisting in trafficking these women, which is a whole other set of crimes. The point is anyone who isn't a complete idiot knows exactly what is happening in a place like this, particularly someone like Kraft who is a highly educated executive. Yeah you can't prove that he knew, but you'd have to be incredibly naive to think otherwise.
What would be the argument to take away all their rings in connection with the owner being a disgusting person? Like, I don't care if they get taken away but I don't know what the argument would be there.
There's no such thing as a fully consensual happy ending. All Asian massage parlors that engage in the sex trade consist of people who are trafficked in and working off five figure debt to their traffickers.Mr. Kraft is a victim here. How is he supposed to know the parlor is involved with trafficking? Dude was just trying to get a happy ending.
I wish it was a rule on this board that OP's cannot be just an embedded tweet. It seems to be pretty wide spread and known that a lot of users cannot view embedded tweets for various reasons. Copy the tweet, give your thoughts on the tweet, something; don't just post a tweet. Please. Thank you.
Link?just saw a tweet that said Adam Schefter on ESPN said this isn't even the biggest name on the list.
oh dear
Anyone else wondering why Kraft would go to this particular "massage parlor"? If you're Kraft, this doesn't seem like something you choose by opening up a phonebook.
why did you feel like you needed to at all? he's not your kin.