https://kotaku.com/assassins-creed-odyssey-director-says-we-missed-the-mar-1831818690
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Kotaku: Assassin's Creed Odyssey Director Says 'We Missed The Mark' With Controversial DLC
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Question:
How can you not design new content of a game with lasting character choices and then not include them?
I mean, they knew what game they were working on, right?
How can you not design new content of a game with lasting character choices and then not include them?
I mean, they knew what game they were working on, right?
It sounds like you'll still have the baby...but don't need to like the other parent?
Is that supposed to fix things?
Is that supposed to fix things?
I don't understand how this happens when they made such a big deal of player-agency with your character's relationships and sexuality in the main game. Like, it may as well have been a "back of the box" feature.
Because this is not a team with experience in player-driven narratives.
They had the idea (for whatever reason) that the player character would procreate, and they fumbled their way toward that goal in the DLC (poorly, and at odds with actual player choice and all their statements prior to the release of the game).
A more experienced team would have known the pitfalls beforehand and probably never started down that path. But what's done is done. At least here they're clearly saying they needed to get the baby in there but didn't want to force you into a relationship, and the final installment will let you distance yourself from that particular plot point (hopefully with some nuance, although odds are that it won't be handled that well either).
Sounds like different writers/teams worked on the DLC and the main game. So I'd guess a lack of communication, insight and common sense.
That's my thoughts as well. If they were planning on using lineage as a plot device for future games, they should have Iimplemented it from the beginning.
Instead it comes off as lazy and a slap in the face for folks who chose a different path for their characters.
It's kinda the point of the game's story. Kassandra exists solely due to an obligation to continue the bloodline. Of course, they could rejig the quest a bit because there's some clumsy execution, but "continue the bloodline either through love or duty" is the core of the story. It pops up again and again in the narrative of the main game.
Nice spin, but no, even if that choice reflected the "duty" of having a child (which is itself debatable!), There were a couple of scenes showing the main character developing feelings with the opposite sex guy/gal.
Don't try to pull a fast one with us Ubi, tell the truth, the DLC is being done separately by a team with poor communication with the main one and such didn't even /know/ having a forced heterosexual relation went against the main game.
Don't try to pull a fast one with us Ubi, tell the truth, the DLC is being done separately by a team with poor communication with the main one and such didn't even /know/ having a forced heterosexual relation went against the main game.
Yeah. The mercenary with a heart of gold that went through a whole Odyssey to REUNITE with family is gonna be totally ok with abandoning her child to keep her mercenary life!
Quality character writing right there.
Lineage has been an important part of the story since the first game, though.
This is why Assassin's Creed is doomed and i don't understand why people tell me i'm out of the subject.
One of the main story of the franchise is the bloodline. It's the story of our ancestors.
Problem? No way to have a baby without "sexual relationship" in the past (or without a piece of eden...).
And since 2010's see the rise of the LGBT community (and that's awesome) now it feels like Assassin's Creed is promoting bloodline so far-right stuff.
AC is doomed. It can"t recover from this. This is the end of the franchise. It's Weinstein lvl of shit.
I can already see at E3 2020 about next AC the "choices are back" and then sarcastic meme around reddit, resetera, boards etc... "until you meet someone and have a baby" or stuff like that. AC is over.
And more of that , the "lore" they built during the games made some assassins to be played or to appeared an obligation.
A China Game without playing Shao Jun? No.
But what if i want to play as a man? Or a lesbian female? We know Shao Jun is the only student Ezio had. So what? We destroy the lore so we can please everybody (and THEY HAVE TO! THAT'S THE SOLUTION! ) .They won't.
AC is over.
Making my Kassandra (lesbian) have to slept with a man is a bad move. I put many hours into this character.
And the worst? "i have to have a baby"
NO YOU DON'T ! You are a strong woman, you don't need to support this bloodline alt-right ubi stuff
One of the main story of the franchise is the bloodline. It's the story of our ancestors.
Problem? No way to have a baby without "sexual relationship" in the past (or without a piece of eden...).
And since 2010's see the rise of the LGBT community (and that's awesome) now it feels like Assassin's Creed is promoting bloodline so far-right stuff.
AC is doomed. It can"t recover from this. This is the end of the franchise. It's Weinstein lvl of shit.
I can already see at E3 2020 about next AC the "choices are back" and then sarcastic meme around reddit, resetera, boards etc... "until you meet someone and have a baby" or stuff like that. AC is over.
And more of that , the "lore" they built during the games made some assassins to be played or to appeared an obligation.
A China Game without playing Shao Jun? No.
But what if i want to play as a man? Or a lesbian female? We know Shao Jun is the only student Ezio had. So what? We destroy the lore so we can please everybody (and THEY HAVE TO! THAT'S THE SOLUTION! ) .They won't.
AC is over.
Making my Kassandra (lesbian) have to slept with a man is a bad move. I put many hours into this character.
And the worst? "i have to have a baby"
NO YOU DON'T ! You are a strong woman, you don't need to support this bloodline alt-right ubi stuff
Because Ubisoft is far-right that's why. No way a good company who promote the game around "choices" would have let that happen.
I mean they clearly found ways to go past that shit before so there was no need to keep that line here of all places.
Just curious how they could continue the bloodline without having a baby? I'm not debating the stupidity of going down this forced route. (It is and they should have left it well alone) Just wondering what you think they could have done different if they were determined to include a dlc like this.
No. Even if the DLC 1 about Darius was made by another studio, the main team can"t control what that studio is doing??
You should take your meds, mate. Or stop taking them if you are.
That's missing the point entirely. Kassanda is a human/Isu hybrid. Her father was also a hybrid. He conceived her solely to continue the bloodline of human/Isu hybrids. Kassandra does the same in this DLC plotline. Players don't get to choose actions, but rather shape the motivations behind those actions. (Albeit somewhat clumsily.)
Okay, this was a stupid decision, but I think calling Ubisoft alt-right or far right is reaching a bit.
It was just a bad story decision that wasn't in line with the stated goals of the main game, and unfortunately hurt some players in the process.
It was just a bad story decision that wasn't in line with the stated goals of the main game, and unfortunately hurt some players in the process.
I thought so but somebody explain yesterday that "no" she doesn't.
The only character who have descendants is Darius. But Kass being her daughter-in-law? No.
Her/His (depending on who you play) father conceived the player entirely to preserve the bloodline rather than build a family. He even says it was a necessity rather than love.
Uhhhhh.. what?
We must be talking about two different Ubisofts here. This is a bummer, but you're legitimately overreacting. Weinstein level? Are you serious right now?
No one is saying the series is doomed, but this was a cock up
As for the bolded, it's a series about using magic machines to relive memories to save the world from ancient aliens, I have enough respect for the writing team to believe they could have written around it and not undermined something they pushed as a huge selling point of the game
They have also backtracked before with the whole direct ancestor thing changing to let anyone experience anyone's memories
There is no need to be this defensive over it
The DLC was developed by a different team so it's entirely possible that they just didn't understand or care about the design goals of the main team, or what the audience perceived as important.
This game is just making our characters forced to be in a heterosexual relationship ...for Bloodline. Wtf? I don't want my character to be dominated by the "natural" way of conceiving a life. She's free.
A company who showed a lesbian character doing lesbian things in fucking E3 is far right because of this one screw up
lol
If Ubisoft is far right then what about the company who created the character in your avatar? Is Nintendo Hitler? Like what
A bit of a cock up, but let's not make too big a deal out of it.
This does not diminish the good stuff present in Oydessy.
This does not diminish the good stuff present in Oydessy.
that's an ill conceived plot point to have in a game where you get to choose the romantic interest of the character.
There's a huge number of ways this could have been avoided, it's poor planning on Ubi's part
The hyperbole at play here diminishes real problems and makes you look a right fool.
You mean the company that forbade gay relationships in its relationship game?
Nintendo never promised me to choice whatever i want to do about gender/relationship in a mario game.
And as for my avatar; it's a picture i take during a SMO game and it made me laugh.
One of the most idiotic things I've read on Era for a while. Ubisoft = far-right? /rolleyes
It this a Meme I am missing or... what?
Also it's like...she's not entirely human.
Ubisoft could come up with some sci-fi stuff as a way to explain reproduction if they wanted to.
It's dumb, yes. I don't think anyone is saying otherwise.
To say that it's on the level as a real person who used his position of power to sexually harass a bunch of real people, is, well... c'mon, dude.
Makes me wonder if they just pretend this ending isn't canonical whenever it comes to future stuff with regards to Kass. Might be the best thing that they can do at this point. :/
Good thing you never got tomodachis to share your friendship with...
No it's a big problem. It's like saying "you can't be normal if you don't have a baby". It's awful.