According to Kotaku, they aren't going to:This apology will not be accepted until they patch the DLC to remove this shit.
A Ubisoft rep confirmed to Kotaku that the content of the second DLC will not be changed but said that the next chapter of the expansion will "make the character development and choice much more clear to players, and that is where they will be able to decide how they want to handle their relationship now that they have ensured that their bloodline will continue."
Fuck Ubisoft. They should be ashamed of themselves. Considering the sheer number of Ubisoft employees who worked on this game, I don't doubt that someone noticed the issue with the forced relationships, but they choose to ignore it. Either that or the higher ups choose to do it.According to Kotaku, they aren't going to:
I guess the third part of the DLC is too far along in development to course correct...
So apparently, they're going to patch the game to change the name of the trophy "Growing up". It doesn't change the actual narrative of this DLC but it's better than nothing I guess.
It's the gaming equivalent of millions of parents trying to convince their kids that it's "just a phase."Forcing you into a heterosexual relationship after the end of a story where you could be completely lesbian and naming the achievement "growing up" is so bad that it almost feels like a parody.
So apparently, they're going to patch the game to change the name of the trophy "Growing up". It doesn't change the actual narrative of this DLC but it's better than nothing I guess.
But that's what they're doing?I guess the third part of the DLC is too far along in development to course correct...
I think that's part of the root of the problem? AC: Odyssey is modeled after The Witcher 3 more than Dragon Age. They're not really your character. You shape them through various dialogue options and player actions, but they have their own personality, their own beliefs, their own past, and their own future. Would "your" Kassandra hand over the staff to Layla? Maybe not. But she does what she does of her own volition. (Or at least she thinks she does.)
I'd argue the difference is that CDPR made the decision to set certain aspects of Geralt's character in stone. One of which is his sexuality. You can't have a version of Geralt that's gay or bi. He's a straight character. UBI made the decision to let people choose their characters sexuality. Then with the DLC they decide that they're just going to ignore that aspect because of whatever preset story reason they had. Basically they want to have their cake and eat it too. If they want to give people a choice that big, then they need to honor it through the story.
Wow they really dropped the ball with this.
Pre-release they specifically went out of their way to note that there were now romance options and roleplaying (limited sure, but they wanted people to know they could be gay if they wanted to be).
You can't court the many gay players with gay options, suddenly take these options away, then expect everybody to be fine with it. What the hell.
Was the creative director still the lead of the DLC as well?
More like they lied to everyone about how good of a role playing game it is. The game only handles role playing by keeping everything as vague and non-committal as possible. Even after big story 'choices' there will rarely be any confirmation of what you did. For exampleafter the first big choice of whether to kill your father, the following scene where you discuss what you did is identical regardless of your choice!
This shallowness extends to any notion of sexuality. The male and female player characters are identical and they simply let you have the same relationships with same characters across both. It was never a great step forward for gay representation. There are no 'gay' characters in the game.
This shallowness extends to any notion of sexuality. The male and female player characters are identical and they simply let you have the same relationships with same characters across both. It was never a great step forward for gay representation. There are no 'gay' characters in the game.
That's false. There are gay couples in the game as NPCs part of quests, both male or both female, and they're explicitly couples.
First of all, just because this is an issue you don't care about doesn't mean that other people are having "outrage" just for the sake of it. I ask you to try to put yourself in another's shoes and imagine how it actually feels to long for good representations in popular media, be denied time and time again for various reasons, then cling to the rare ones that appear, and somehow still be denied for reasons. Secondly, sexual identity - and the denial of it - is not a tiny thing, and I find the outright dismissal of it callous.There needs to be a continuation of the lineage that you all like it or not, that is such a gamer's outrage for the fuck of it.. The name of the trophy is the only thing to get the tiniest bit worked up about if there's anything. And even then, how can anyone not see pass the point of view of the ones who decided on this. It's such a tiny thing when compared to the choices of which relationships you could pursue during the entire length of the game.
If the point of the choices were to keep a open mind about relationships you'd choose, why not have a open mind over the actual narrative of the game that surrounds the lineage of assassins through times.
Jonathan Dumont said:Since the story is choice-driven, we never force players in romantic situations they might not be comfortable with. Players decide if they want to engage with characters romantically. I think this allows everybody to build the relationships they want, which I feel respects everybody's roleplay style and desires.
There needs to be a continuation of the lineage that you all like it or not, that is such a gamer's outrage for the fuck of it.. The name of the trophy is the only thing to get the tiniest bit worked up about if there's anything. And even then, how can anyone not see pass the point of view of the ones who decided on this. It's such a tiny thing when compared to the choices of which relationships you could pursue during the entire length of the game.
If the point of the choices were to keep a open mind about relationships you'd choose, why not have a open mind over the actual narrative of the game that surrounds the lineage of assassins through times.
It lets you choose who you have sex with throughout the course of the game, not what your sexuality is. Any sexuality is roleplaying/headcanon on your part, but the game never lets you overtly decide that and it makes plenty of other decisions for you and the character that may be counter to how you thought you were playing the game.
In case you missed it, the person apologizing is the same person who said this:
This is mostly why people feel slighted. They explicitly used romantic freedom as a selling point continuously before the game was released.
Does any game actually give you some sort of box to check in terms of sexuality? It's generally just handled in RPG's as characters flirting with you and you choosing whether to go along with it. But when games give you that option they don't take it back at some other point in the story. They usually pull this off by not making a characters sexuality critical to the overall story. But in this case UBI decided that no matter what player choice they may have given, they were still going to have Kassandra hook up with a male character. Which nullifies that player freedom. So either that option never should've been up to the players or UBI should've figured out how to write a story that took into account players choosing to play Kassandra as a lesbian.
I wrote off the main story when my ending wasn't the good ending solely because of some "wrong" dialog choices I apparently made 10-15 hours before the final main story beats.
There needs to be a continuation of the lineage that you all like it or not, that is such a gamer's outrage for the fuck of it.. The name of the trophy is the only thing to get the tiniest bit worked up about if there's anything. And even then, how can anyone not see pass the point of view of the ones who decided on this. It's such a tiny thing when compared to the choices of which relationships you could pursue during the entire length of the game.
If the point of the choices were to keep a open mind about relationships you'd choose, why not have a open mind over the actual narrative of the game that surrounds the lineage of assassins through times.
The game was being ironically historically accurate, its just that the reality stings. Have as many lovers of any gender you want, but you still need a legit heir at some point. Secure the heir, and you are free to go off and love anyone you want afterwards.
There needs to be a continuation of the lineage that you all like it or not, that is such a gamer's outrage for the fuck of it.. The name of the trophy is the only thing to get the tiniest bit worked up about if there's anything. And even then, how can anyone not see pass the point of view of the ones who decided on this. It's such a tiny thing when compared to the choices of which relationships you could pursue during the entire length of the game.
If the point of the choices were to keep a open mind about relationships you'd choose, why not have a open mind over the actual narrative of the game that surrounds the lineage of assassins through times.
You are free to take a look at all of the hilarious, completely unrealistic and inaccurate things in the series and realize how stupid this sounds.
If I were to say the things I want to towards this post and this almost parody level of thinking (I need to keep a fucking open mind??), I would be banned. I'm genuinely surprised this post hasn't been actioned yet.
Your problem with it isn't realism, but that it is unpleasant. I didn't say you have to like it, but sexual preference had very little to do with the need for children. Love and reproduction are simply two separate things.You are free to take a look at all of the hilarious, completely unrealistic and inaccurate things in the series and realize how stupid this sounds.
Your problem with it isn't realism, but that it is unpleasant. I didn't say you have to like it, but sexual preference had very little to do with the need for children. Love and reproduction are simply two separate things.
Too bad the game doesn't make that distinction and instead forces you into a romantic relationship. If you spent five minutes looking it up instead of coming in here to give everyone your hot take you probably would have known that.Your problem with it isn't realism, but that it is unpleasant. I didn't say you have to like it, but sexual preference had very little to do with the need for children. Love and reproduction are simply two separate things.
That's a really weird way to interpret the character's sexuality. Sure, in the real world who you have sex with doesn't necessarily define your sexuality. But, for a fictional character, unless you predefine it there's no way to solidify it like that. You, as the player controlling the character, don't just choose who they fuck. You choose who they WANT to fuck. Their entire pitch for the romance that Ubi presented is built around that.It lets you choose who you have sex with throughout the course of the game, not what your sexuality is. Any sexuality is roleplaying/headcanon on your part, but the game never lets you overtly decide that and it makes plenty of other decisions for you and the character that may be counter to how you thought you were playing the game.
I haven't played the DLC but I really fail to see what the big deal is here.
I haven't played the DLC but I really fail to see what the big deal is here
Oh look, another member who has no idea what they're talking about while also telling us that this is no big deal and that we need to get over ourselves.
Perhaps Ubi should have outlined more what the DLC was about beforehand
Transparency is the only way forward in this creator/fan/player/consumer- dynamic.
That's great for you but how does that help those of us who were invested completely one way or the other?I don't really get attached to my characters in games so this really wouldn't affect me at all, my Kassandra slept which everybody :) I didn't discriminate against anyone, if they wanted to get down and dirty then we got down and dirty.
There's no need to continue the bloodline, the Eagle Bearer is literally inmortal. Also, there are many other hybrids around the world. It's not like the MC is the only person with Ish blood in the world.