Yeah, no buddy. ArenaNet is fucking spineless and I pity people working for a company that clearly doesn't value its employees.
She doesn't work in customer service, she's a writer for the game.
Shes engaging a customer...
Yeah, no buddy. ArenaNet is fucking spineless and I pity people working for a company that clearly doesn't value its employees.
She doesn't work in customer service, she's a writer for the game.
..But men also get that. You think men leading studios like Bungie or Bioware are not getting suggestions 24/7 on their twitter without even asking (she asked for an AMA btw)? the only difference is they didn't go ballistic on a customer for suggesting something to them politely. Acting condescending to someone like that was unnecessary and if you're getting pissed to small shit like this then don't post on Twitter or otherwise expect to lose your job.right excuse me if i don't take a gamer coming into the discussion in good faith.
she's even explicitly said that's the type of shit she gets all the time and so do other women in the industry. it's not a fucking secret that women in gaming are treated like they are lesser and don't know anything about the games or the industry they work in.
Firing two people over these tweets, it's not like she threatened to kill someone.
Her tweet about TB was totally fine and I'm sure she isn't the only one in the company that feels that way.That sounds like a rather toxic person to keep around in a work area, should've been fired since the TB tweet imo
The people you named just happened to be running at the position where they get to decide what's okay to be said on twitter and what isn't for their respective companies. They aren't someone who just got hired, a more fitting example would be the guy who got fired from MS early in the generation for making some smug tweet.Not very professional, no. But I have seen the likes of David Jaffe, Kamiya and Cliffy B calling people much worse, but somehow the cesspools on Reddit aren't knocking on their doors. I wonder why hm.
Please explain to me how he was being rude. Isn't this just feedback? Would it not be rude if the commenter was female, or the dev was male?
Being glad TB can;t hurt anyone any more sure as hell isn't something someone should be fired over.
He pretty much grabs news bites and gives his uninformed and unresearched opinion on it. Sometimes starting shit. Just extremely low quality content imo.What is wrong with Yongyea now? I thought he was a pretty cool guy?
Keep telling yourself that.Yeah, no buddy. ArenaNet is fucking spineless and I pity people working for a company that clearly doesn't value its employees.
Do the people who agree with their termination also feel that Hideki Kamiya and other developers who behave similarly should also be punished for how they conduct themselves on social media?
Because they were garbage fires that are perfect illustrations of the divergence in principles you see between EtcetEra and gaming side.
Sure, but if that happened Arena should have said that and the firing would be ok. Everyone in this particular situation overreacted.It's entirely possible that there could have been instances with her behavior in the workplace or with fans before though, right?
With the level of discourse on display here, I'm not surprised that the other two threads were locked. Disheartened, because it's important, but not surprised.
Regardless of how you feel about her reaction, what depresses me the most about this firing is the fact that prominent game devs have to run 24/7 customer service. Everything ever said has be scrutinized against public opinion, and if your receipts turn up bad you risk losing your career and social capital.
This sorta thing is already happening in other countries, with a much more distinct character of misogony: https://www.usgamer.net/articles/in...nt-against-female-video-game-developers-rages
I dunno that shit might not be especially rude but it does feel patronizing and condescending
Please explain to me how he was being rude. Isn't this just feedback? Would it not be rude if the commenter was female, or the dev was male?
..But men also get that. You think men leading studios like Bungie or Bioware are not getting suggestions 24/7 on their twitter without even asking (she asked for an AMA btw)? the only difference is they didn't go ballistic on a customer for suggesting something to them politely. Acting condescending to someone like that was unnecessary and if you're getting pissed to small shit like this then don't post on Twitter or otherwise expect to lose your job.
Wait what?Her tweet about TB was totally fine and I'm sure she isn't the only one in the company that feels that way.
Having a somewhat understandable overreaction to a single person is not shitting all over the customer base.Keep telling yourself that.
What company would keep someone around that shits all over their customer base.
No, it doesn't, at all.I dunno that shit might not be especially rude but it does feel patronizing and condescending
Sure, but if that happened Arena should have said that and the firing would be ok. Everyone in this particular situation overreacted.
Yeah, no buddy. ArenaNet is fucking spineless and I pity people working for a company that clearly doesn't value its employees.
She doesn't work in customer service, she's a writer for the game.
Any employee represents the business. This is a basic understanding.
This is what I referenced earlier:
Any employee represents the business. This is a basic understanding.
This is what I referenced earlier:
This is a very healthy approach on this subject, clearly.Also, if you can't handle your shit, don't engage with players.
Yeah, I do at least. I'd be fine with ArenaNet if they kept her as well. If an employee is acting up bringing shit to their company they can deal with her/him how they see fit.Do the people who agree with their termination also feel that Hideki Kamiya and other developers who behave similarly should also be punished for how they conduct themselves on social media?
She chose to tweet about the product she's involved in. Customers joined the conversation in a peaceful and respectful manner. She didn't have to respond at all. But she did. With blatant toxicity.With the level of discourse on display here, I'm not surprised that the other two threads were locked. Disheartened, because it's important, but not surprised.
Regardless of how you feel about her reaction, what depresses me the most about this firing is the fact that prominent game devs have to run 24/7 customer service, even ones who have no business with PR. Everything ever said has be scrutinized against public opinion, and if your receipts turn up bad you risk losing your career and social capital.
This sorta thing is already happening in other countries, with a much more distinct character of misogony: https://www.usgamer.net/articles/in...nt-against-female-video-game-developers-rages
No, it doesn't, at all.
Also, if you can't handle your shit, don't engage with players.
Was the firing influenced by the alt-right? No, they were fired before this even took off.
Was the firing the right thing to do? Maybe? We don't know the internal goings on in Arenanet, maybe they asked her to apologize and she didn't want to, maybe this wasn't her first infraction and was just the final straw (being glad that someone died tweet), or maybe it was an overreaction.
making this a gender issue is the wrong thing to do. it had nothing to do with gender. the dude is a respected GW2 Youtuber, content provider and Arenanet partner who answered her tweet after an official Narrative AMA and was respectfull.
Lol. Incredible. Talk about missing the forest for the trees.Sure, but if that happened Arena should have said that and the firing would be ok. Everyone in this particular situation overreacted.
And people wonder why developers don't engage with gamers lol.
He's far more toxic to people but people love his games so he gets a pass for whatever reason.
What? I really can't blame people that were targets of a hate group that TB was a prominent member of to find the silver lining in his passing. It's not right, but it's understandable. As such I really don't believe it should be a factor in getting anyone fired.Stop this shit. Read what you wrote. Is this really what kind of person you are?
Do people just willfully ignore her actual comments? It wasn't an AMA. Re-read the original tweet.
Any employee represents the business. This is a basic understanding.
This is what I referenced earlier:
Absurd that this is being twisted into some GamerGate anti-women nonsense. They may have played a part, but don't give them the credit.
It's standard business to severely employees who disparage the company's image either directly or indirectly. The "straw that broke the camel's back" in these situations usually is the trigger that gets the employee fired; there's usually some amount of stuff going on in the background the public doesn't know about.
I know of one prominent Blizzard employee who was let go because of a snarky forum post he made.
I myself was reprimanded and asked to give a public apology when I called a teammate "worthless" in a match of LOL.
Plenty of other examples I've encountered.
I dunno that shit might not be especially rude but it does feel patronizing and condescending
That's what is so confusing about the reactions and responses. I see people post feedback/ideas/criticism to game developers all the time. Gamers have a strong opinion on how games should be designed and made, and the way Deroir's tweet was phrased was exceptionally polite compared to what I typically see from the community. I could understand it being the straw that broke the camels back, but that does not excuse her response.This dude's tweets is one of the nicest feedbacks I've read a gamer give to a dev... lol