you're wrong, to publish something like that as fact (she didn't even say there MAY be a slur) before she's completely sure completely unprofessional and not how any journalist (well, one who's credible and respects his/her profession) should act.
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Kotaku UK: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's Persona 5 DLC Includes a Disability Slur [Update: Doesn't seem to]
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Request an official lyric sheet. Approach Nintendo and Atlus for clarification and comments. Post this as a conditional instead of a definitive. Literally anything other than what was done here would be better.
Which this article seems to have done, and yet that's not what's being discussed here, even though it HAS been published by a professional journalist acting in a professional capacity.
Or they just say, "No, that's not what the lyric is saying" (if they say anything at all) and do nothing about it.
Wouldn't Sony's response be also good to hear as the track plays with the spoken version on the actual game too?
I doubt the official lyric sheets do have the spoken part on it. At least the soundtrack didn't include them on the booklet with the lyrics.
Cecilia is part of Kotaku US, her exposé of Riot Games last year won her the Writer's Guild of America Award: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...anastasio-wins-writers-guild-of-america-award
Do your fucking research, takes literally one second
How else would you quantify your statement? That felt like the pretty clear implication to me.
I mean, not so clear enough I would write an article about it that wasn't properly verified...
Jesus effing Christ can we go two days without a new controversy?
I haven't played P5. Does the song contains the word or not?
I haven't played P5. Does the song contains the word or not?
See, there you go again with your assumptions. You have nothing that proves your statement yet you sit there and speak about the basics of journalism like you have authority to do so.
What assumption is there in that post? "This article seems to have no research?" Do you notice the conditional? Do you notice the lack of a conditional in the published piece?
Let'ts take this article to an average life event. You have a coworker that happens to be ESL. That coworker tells you something with some noise/music on the background and you think that it was a slur.
What Kotaku essentialy did was telling everyone else that the coworker used a slur instead of asking the coworker what he/she meant.
This is all around irresponsible and goes beyond journalism.
What Kotaku essentialy did was telling everyone else that the coworker used a slur instead of asking the coworker what he/she meant.
This is all around irresponsible and goes beyond journalism.
Pinning Nintendo to the wall over an in-all-likelihood misheard lyric in a song from a third party game on a Sony platform originally released years ago is kind of bizarre.
Is this how journalism works? To publish an article with a title that sounds definitive based on what the author thinks *before* asking for clarification from the source?
Even if it ends up being true (which I legitimately find hard to imagine), publishing this without additional confirmation was still wrong. We should have higher expectations than this.
How dare you make assumptions and speak about journalism when you have no authority to do so
She's literally said that the article was published before they got any details from Nintendo/Atlus. What are you trying to even defend here?
I'm not a journalist but it doesn't take a journalist to know that this is a shitty article.
Normal news doesn't pay the bills for most sites these days, got to have some controversy and if none is there to be had,find some.
We don't know for sure either way because the lyrics for the section in question are not part of the official lyrics sheet.
How ironic.
It's such a shame the UK-specific Kotaku articles aren't as good as the articles written in the US.
It would hardly be a first for Smash, but this would make me really sad.
The version of Life Will Change with the lyrics included should not be heard until near the end of Persona 5's story. It's so much better that way.
You're seeing what you want to see, mate. Cecilia's article about Riot Games literally won the Writer's Guild of America Award last year. To say "Jason is the only good thing about Kotaku" is deliberately ignoring that piece, which was discussed many, many times on Era. I don't believe someone could post on Era and read games website and not have come across that article. It was a brilliant piece of investigative journalism.
Funny how Era is so woke most of the time, but they conveniently forget a brilliant piece of journalism written by a women when it suits their bizarre vendetta against Kotaku.
I mean it does sound like that when I listen to it but part of me wonders if it's just me expecting it to say that now that you put it in my mind.
It's definitely very hard to hear and spoken in a heavy accent. Someone needs to ask the lady who was singing it or find the actual transcript of the lyrics she sang for the song.
It seems out of place with the rest of the lyrics which is why I think we might be misunderstanding it. Seems like a random thing to just stick into the song.
It's definitely very hard to hear and spoken in a heavy accent. Someone needs to ask the lady who was singing it or find the actual transcript of the lyrics she sang for the song.
It seems out of place with the rest of the lyrics which is why I think we might be misunderstanding it. Seems like a random thing to just stick into the song.
Honest question, if it turns out that the word is there is it worthy of making a big fuss about it and demand for it to be removed?
You are assuming that the level of research is little to none. We don't know that. Conditional tenses are assumptive.
True, and it wouldn't be the first misheard/mispronounced lyrics in a japanese product in english. I mean, someone just needs to listen Black Lagoon's opening song Red Fraction and then read the lyrics.
And are exactly what the article lacks, instead making a definitive, sweeping declaration.
If there is one media outlet who would have no trouble contacting Japanese companies, it's Kotaku. Besides, singers show up in the credits, no?
I have worked in news for over a decade (on the radio side, not in games journalism), and "publish first, you can always retract it later," is one of the most wrong things I have heard. Retractions should only be used as a necesity in case something has went wrong in the process (it happens, journalists are human). They should never be used as a crutch to justify putting out anything thing you please as quick as possible with the rationale that you can just take it back later.
That would've been better, but I don't really blame anyone for not wanting to give Atlus of all companies the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being respectful to minorities.
To my trained ear, with four years of experience as a high school English teacher at a Japanese school listening to students try to speak English and making lots of mistakes, it sure sounds like they're trying to say "restart it" and can't quite hit the "st" sound on restart, which is a difficult sound for Japanese speakers of English.
edit/ "Pick up the pieces" makes logical sense when paired with "restart it" too.
edit/ "Pick up the pieces" makes logical sense when paired with "restart it" too.
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Kotaku has good articles sometimes. Doesn't mean people can't, in general, dislike the site.
I don't think there's any real gaming news website I would say I really enjoy reading consistently. It's pretty gutter level stuff outside of a few really good journalists here and there.
Celica's piece was amazing. That's what's weird to me, we have a site with that kind of a standard, her and Schrier, and then they do... this.
I think I already pointed to Mario 64 DS (which a different poster alluded to prior) as precedent for this. It strikes me as something more in line with the company and how they present their image.
Maybe? I think Atlus published the OST release and I thought Atlus published the game as well. If you're asking about whether Sony knows anything about the song when they OK'd the game for their platforms, I will say saw other posters in here claiming that the game's version of the song (i.e., in P5) didn't even include the line being discussed in the article (i.e., that the OST release is a longer cut of the song than what's in game). Without a copy of the game I can't make a claim on that, especially since there's no way to tell conclusively if a given soundtrack dump being put on, like, youtube is taken from the OST or not.
I agree it doesn't contain information regarding the research process, which it should have. But that doesn't mean there wasn't a process executed, and we don't know how deep that process went. That's all I'm saying.
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