Last night's Game of Thrones episode is the lowest rated episode on iMDB in series history
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The larger GoT fanbase does not waste their time review-bombing IMDB pages for episodes that they found to be adequate.
It was rather divisive, even more so than the other episodes in the OT. But this time, some criticisms were legit. Such as:
I still enjoy the show, but this episode was rather disappointing. It's the first one that made me think they should've decided to push it out to 10 50-minute episodes + one 90-minute series finale to flesh out the stories better. Because right now, everything feels pretty rushed.
Why Jon would be more emotional towards saying goodbye to Tormund and Sam, but all Ghost got was a fucking head nod.
Dany: "Don't tell anyone about your true identity, not even your family"
Jon: "Ok, because you're my queen, also my aunt, but I love you anyway"
15 minutes later......
Jon: "Arya and Sansa, please swear to keep my secret to yourselves"
Arya and Sansa: "We swear"
15 more minutes later
Sansa: "Hey Tyrion. I know something you don't know"
Brynne and Jamie being built up among multiple seasons, only for Jamie to stick around long enough to fuck her then run.
Having a war room council talk about where your enemies will be located heading towards Kings Landing, and deciding to just go head first into them anyway leading to Dany losing another dragon.
Was Cersei even aware of who Missandei was when she was captured after Dany's army was torn to shreds?
And then there was that tiny army of Dany's who Cersei could've easily slaughtered
Plus Tyrion's "I know you've been bad in the past, but you're not a monster", after she blew up an entire sect and other innocent people without a moment's hesitation.
Dany: "Don't tell anyone about your true identity, not even your family"
Jon: "Ok, because you're my queen, also my aunt, but I love you anyway"
15 minutes later......
Jon: "Arya and Sansa, please swear to keep my secret to yourselves"
Arya and Sansa: "We swear"
15 more minutes later
Sansa: "Hey Tyrion. I know something you don't know"
Brynne and Jamie being built up among multiple seasons, only for Jamie to stick around long enough to fuck her then run.
Having a war room council talk about where your enemies will be located heading towards Kings Landing, and deciding to just go head first into them anyway leading to Dany losing another dragon.
Was Cersei even aware of who Missandei was when she was captured after Dany's army was torn to shreds?
And then there was that tiny army of Dany's who Cersei could've easily slaughtered
Plus Tyrion's "I know you've been bad in the past, but you're not a monster", after she blew up an entire sect and other innocent people without a moment's hesitation.
I still enjoy the show, but this episode was rather disappointing. It's the first one that made me think they should've decided to push it out to 10 50-minute episodes + one 90-minute series finale to flesh out the stories better. Because right now, everything feels pretty rushed.
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There's nothing wrong with being a different kind of show, but you have to execute on what you are attempting well, which is categorically untrue for Game of Thrones.
man you guys are no fun at all sometimes most of the time.
Nobody in my viewing party had anything to say about any of the stuff you guys are babbling on about. Put down your monocles and enjoy the content, folks. Go with the flow as much as you can. Not like you can change anything anyway.
Nobody in my viewing party had anything to say about any of the stuff you guys are babbling on about. Put down your monocles and enjoy the content, folks. Go with the flow as much as you can. Not like you can change anything anyway.
Probably true for some, although it's tough to define "legitimate criticism" to a fan. I know a couple people who were always VERY outspoken with Star Wars and comic book movie criticism, typical nerdrage stuff, but they don't post anything about GoT, maybe a funny meme or something. So that's why I said it went mainstream, because I don't think it's exclusive to the "outspoken nerds" anymore.
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So the takeaway is that casual viewers found this to be less than adequate, and then decided to express their disgruntlement? I can agree with that.
Or he's going back explicitly to kill Cersei, because he knows he's the one with the best chance and running down Brienne emotionally guarantees she doesn't follow?
Deserved. You can't make that many people so fucking dumb to create dramatic scenes later on. That's all the writers do now. Write to big moments instead of letting things happen with any kind of subtleties.
Wait. What?
You thought he was riding south for anything other than a suicide mission to try to personally stop Cersei?
Really? I thought last night's episode was easily this season's best, and one of the better episodes of the past couple seasons at least.
Yeah, I just think that the "kind of show" it is Right Now is a race to wrap it up in fewer episodes than it probably needed to be truly satisfying to longtime fans. They clearly started to fridge out entire plotlines once they realized they were only getting 12 more hours, and certain plot developments that we're seeing now that don't make a ton of narrative sense are more or less inevitable because they need to happen, there just isn't enough time to make them feel super plausible.
If that's true, that's awesome. That's not the impression I got, though.
Maybe it's just because I didn't give a fuck about the White Walkers but I thought it was the best episode of the season so far.
Or maybe it was just because Jaime and Brienne finally fucked.
It's quite amazing how much people are trying to diminish any criticism of the show. The complete fumbling of the show post book material should be the clear signal the showrunners are just bad and don't know how to execute a story vision.
No, the takeaway is that nobody casually watching and enjoying this stuff is going to interact with IMDB at all. Their opinion will not be reflected in the score.
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Jaime and Brienne were fine.
Lol. I'd only say Jon was "ruined" for not petting ghost.
Jaime and Brienne were fine.
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D&D confirmed in the post-show show that he actually is going back to Cersei
I mean things like "Tyrion would never be drinking while talking to Varys" is nerdrage. On the other hand, legitimate criticism of contrivances in the show are not.
I think people are pretty overwhelmingly negative about the show in the past two seasons?
TBH people complaining about the Sopranos finale did feel like one of the first waves of people just yelling "i dont like it" at a TV show in lieu of actual critique.
I don't really like the show that much (and certainly wouldn't be like one of those dumb MCU fanboys that bans all discussion of the failings of a media property) but I've found that so so so much criticism has been focused on RedLetterMedia style "how did he hit the dragon! Why didn't they see the boats!" CinemaSins style of complaining that really adds nothing substantial to discussion at all.
I think there are plenty of valid complaints about the show (and especially the way these last two seasons have been handled without just saying "the writing is so bad" over and over again without ever analyzing anything beyond the most surface level crit.
It probably just didn't feel like such a weird echo chamber at the moment because the entire economy of internet discussion wasn't as big to be honest.
Imo the first 4 seasons are good enough to stand on their own. It's not that nothing good happens after that, but the ride up to that point is enjoyable and eventful enough to leave you satisfied regardless of any unresolved story threads.
I haven't read the books but I've seen readers complain that the books are similar where the last two just sorta spin their wheels.
I still enjoy the show but more in a fast and furious "the spectacle" kind of way, the writing has been bad since season 4 or 5 and its only really getting brutally exposed now as character arcs are closing out. Before there was always the "... well, that was kinda dumb but there is still plenty of time for this character/story to redeem itself", but thats gone now.
You can still enjoy the show for what it is and no shade at you at all, but the show is vastly different than what it was in season 1 & 2. Just like sports teams and stuff though, way too many people take an attack on the show as somehow an attack on them. Saying the show is bad now doesn't mean someone is saying you are bad or your tastes are bad.
You can still enjoy the show for what it is and no shade at you at all, but the show is vastly different than what it was in season 1 & 2. Just like sports teams and stuff though, way too many people take an attack on the show as somehow an attack on them. Saying the show is bad now doesn't mean someone is saying you are bad or your tastes are bad.
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I have a legitimate question- "nerdraage" for Game of Thrones has been a thing for three years now. Episode 6 of Season 7 (Beyond the Wall) is the most criticized episode in GoT history, and it has a 9.2 on iMDB. So what exactly has changed?
Discussing it is half the fun. It's been more than 20 years in the making, of course it's getting disected.
you forgot "plot armor"
and "not enough named characters died"
It's seems great at first, because some of the acting was fantastic, like Emilia Clarks and Conleth hills, but after you take a minute to think what actually went down, you realize how horrible the writing was.
This still a poor excuse though and does not absolve of it the criticism it rightly deserves.
I feel like that is "the surprise." He's fully redeemed and dies and kills her. Could be wrong, though.
Don't forget Bronn, who was only a cape and mustache-twirl away from peak ridiculousness.
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I think people are getting hung up on the minutia. I presume there was some cutting in the editing room that would have put some people at ease, especially with regards to
Ghost, and Euron getting the jump on the dragons
It was an enjoyable episode with intrigue, action, and heartbreak.
This episode was better than the Battle of Winterfell as far as ruining storylines is concerned.
Your thought would seem to make more sense the way it was presented. Jaime takes off when he hears Cersei is likely to be killed and Kings Landing sacked, not that she has a good chance of coming out on top and actually being victorious.
Jaime should have rode south when he learned that Bronn was sent to kill him on her command if his intention is to stop her, not save her.