Switch OS uses ½ a gig, Switch 2 would at most use 1 gig I'd guess. So only 1 ½ gig less than PS5, not bad.
Oh really? I missed that discussion then. Very good news if that's the case.
Zelda is actually one of the few Ninty IPs I dont rly care for. But it will for sure be a visual showcase.
I'm excited for it, but I really think people should lower their expectation of performance somewhat. I am assuming that these performance estimates posted by Neoxon are basically direct Teraflop comparisons (because expectations is we are talking about 2 Teraflop in handheld and 4 Teraflop in docked), but Ampere (the GPU architecture switch 2 is based on) has double the cuda cores per Streaming Multiprocessor by basically allowing their int units to perform like float. That's neat and dandy for peak performance but the int units would often be used as int anyway, so the performance being on paper 2x faster than prior gens do not really correlate to 2x.
We can see this in benchmarks comparing RTX 2060 to 3060, the 3060 has 2x higher Teraflops than the 2060 on paper because that's how high it can go, but in practice it'll run about 10~20% faster in games.
Basically all I'm saying is comparing teraflops between Ampere (and therefor switch 2) and the home consoles to measure performance doesn't really work, we'll need to wait for real world performance, but don't be surprised if it runs noticeably worse than Series S when docked (before DLSS).
We can see this in benchmarks comparing RTX 2060 to 3060, the 3060 has 2x higher Teraflops than the 2060 on paper because that's how high it can go, but in practice it'll run about 10~20% faster in games.
Basically all I'm saying is comparing teraflops between Ampere (and therefor switch 2) and the home consoles to measure performance doesn't really work, we'll need to wait for real world performance, but don't be surprised if it runs noticeably worse than Series S when docked (before DLSS).
On the one hand, this is hilarious.
On the other hand: This is extremely concerning considering the context of that scene. XD
It's going to be pretty funny when Alan Wake 2 comes out for Switch 2 and it's actually comparable with current gen versions.
You'll get:
- Naysayers trying to save face by pixel counting and criticising DLSS as "cheating" despite the competition relying on technology such as FSR.
- People who actually knew it was capable enough to "look good enough" who sit there smugly
- People who were remaining neutral until results come in being really shocked at how well a tiny handheld performs.
And naturally there'll be a picture of a PS5, a Xbox Series X, a Series S and a Switch 2 stacked on one another to make a point about punching above its weight.
You'll get:
- Naysayers trying to save face by pixel counting and criticising DLSS as "cheating" despite the competition relying on technology such as FSR.
- People who actually knew it was capable enough to "look good enough" who sit there smugly
- People who were remaining neutral until results come in being really shocked at how well a tiny handheld performs.
And naturally there'll be a picture of a PS5, a Xbox Series X, a Series S and a Switch 2 stacked on one another to make a point about punching above its weight.
And you'll also get me thinking "Welcome back Nintendo GameCube" as the Switch 2 would be the console punching well above it's weight despite its form factor.
Don't worry, Tetsuya Takahashi stated he will be moving on from the Klaus multi-verse for Xenoblade 4.
Well it will be moving on from the 'Klaus saga'
I'm pretty sure it's still gonna be set in the same universe though
Oh yeah there's plenty of games to play I'm just a visual guy so a lot of the games I couldn't play because they just weren't there for me either performance wise or visually. Bayo 3 is another one, I actually legitimately want to play. I'm just curious on what they plan to do with back compatible titles. I feel like they could really just resell games with enhancements if they wanted to, but I don't know Nintendo's methods for this kind of thing historically.
Gimme. These specs are good enough for me, especially docked. Hopefully it can support massive SD cards for additional storage.
Promising for sure. This is gonna sound strange, but I hope Nintendo don't change too much in their approach to development just to be able to push the visual fidelity allowed by this upgrade. Of course I want better visual fidelity, but I also want sustainable team sizes and development times. So more than anything I hope that this allows us to get more Nintendo games at 60 FPS at higher resolutions and decent AA, not that they start chasing high-end PS5/XSX game fidelity but take much longer to get and with the same kind of framerate issues some Switch 1 games have had.
Like, we know that mainline Pokémon will still look like ass on it from a fidelity perspective, but now perhaps the hardware will be good enough to brute force that code to run at a decent performance.
Like, we know that mainline Pokémon will still look like ass on it from a fidelity perspective, but now perhaps the hardware will be good enough to brute force that code to run at a decent performance.
It's not strange. I'm with you and I'm sure many others are too. I think Nintendo are probably sensible enough to not go over the top and chase pixels so to speak and plan their projects accordingly. I think when they developed BOTW they developed it with a break even figure of 3 million sold and I'm sure that they will still have those lines in mind.
Agree with the sentiment. I always felt Microsoft could have just released the series S. Can play the likes of AC Valhalla and RDR2 at 60fps. We never really needed more.
Greetings! One question, I couldn't find that post, did he say this concerning MH Rise running at 60fps (shouldn't be surprising "more than capable" ) or was that really about MH Wilds?
Oof these specs are garbage but then again Switch 1 specs were weak too. So long as it has a few exclusives that interests me I'll pick one up eventually just like I did with Switch 1. Switch 2 will pretty much be just a secondary platform for me same as the last few Nintendo consoles were. Heck I never even played my Switch in handheld mode just kept it docked.
infinite Wealth is not possible because the director thinks that if they put Yakuza in a Nintendo platform, that would damage Yakuza AND Nintendo
Someone just asked if the Switch 2 will be able to run MH Wilds with these specs and that was what he said.
Not sure we just assume that Switch 2 will only use a miniscule amount of RAM for the OS. Depends on what their design goals are with it this time, they could easily use 3GB if they wanted to. Either way if that's the case, 9GB for games would still be incredible!
This game probably even possible on Switch tbh
At least graphically the game doesn't look that impressive
I didn't mean it in that sense XD (and I actually like the Klaus multiverse).
More in the sense of what happens in-story after that scene, if you get what I mean.
(It was just a lame joke about Monolith causing the end of the universe XD).
TBH I expect it to use the same OS as the Switch 1, just with some extra resources allocated so it's a bit snappier. Like MS has done with Xbox System Software. So it'll probably use more RAM on Switch 2 than on Switch 1, but not *much* more.
World was on the consoles more restricted on the CPU side and if Wild is targeting the potent zen cores of the PS5/XS I can't see how the already struggling Cortex CPUs from 2020 will be more than capable for it.
How is that? You call ps5 a beast. But when comparing it with a PC, it's also weak.
Switch was the strongest portable device at release, yes even stronger then samsung s8 that released 1,5m later (which is 3 times more expensive).
Switch 2 will be the same deal, but even more crazy when looking at the rumor specs.
Not sure how you can call them weak?
Seeing the difference from horizon between ps4 pro and ps5 isn't big at all
Knowing that the switch 2 is stronger and would be do a lot more with the nvidea chip like dlss and so on.
You need to compare appels with appels.
The only 2 weak consoles of nintendo were wii and wii u
If you want to compare Apple with Apples you need to compare the tegra with tablet SoCs which nowadays are called M1, M2, M3 or the upcoming Snapdragon X.
The tegra was significantly weaker than the pendant of its time A8X which was superior in architecture and was also 1 gen ahead in lithography.
I don't play games on handhelds or mobile. So I don't give a shit if it as a handheld will be stronger compared to competitors on the market. I literally said in my post I kept my Switch docked so yes these specs are weak for me as I play games on TVs or monitors only. All that really matters though is the games which is why I will still buy one eventually just like I did the Switch.
If the trade-off was 16 GB of slower RAM in their budget, maybe they've made the right call. GPUs in mobile devices are basically bandwidth constrained (why put bazillion of GB if you can't feed the GPU cores on time ? ), the only company which has released a device with > 100 GB/s bandwidth is Apple in their Macbook Pros with a 192- or 256- or 512-bits which retail at no less than 2000€.
i think 400 is what makes sense with inflation, seems like what most analysts are predicting as well
And all those machines retail for no less than thousands of dollars/euros at release. (And the iPad was 500€ at release). Not mentioning Apple is vertically integrated so no cut from another company to take into account for designing the chip.
On a side tangent, since the M3 Apple also uses a 6GB RAM based config:
-18GB
-24GB
-36GB
-...
And with that future MacBooks might finally start with 12GB RAM instead of the dreaded 8GB.
Still interesting to know why there are suddenly 6GB RAM chips? For sure I won't complain since it elevates the Switch 2 RAM from 8GB to 12GB.
Tegra is not the whole story. I had multiple discussions about this. The gpu or cpu was to weak within s8 to run games like a switch 1 does. We also see that with fortnite running worse then the switch version. But again, i have talked with experts about this and thats seems to be the real deal.
If DLSS makes up a core part of the system (which it likely will considering it has dedicated hardware for it) I'm not sure why so many people want it's use excluded from making comparisons lol like it's not some kind of cheat code, it's part of the hardware and overall design of the console. Why not arbitrarily exclude the CPU from comparisons and 6GB of the RAM as well?
I guess you can argue that without knowing it's implementation it just makes for an easier comparison but it also comes off a little like people not wanting Nintendo "cheating" by using DLSS lol
I guess you can argue that without knowing it's implementation it just makes for an easier comparison but it also comes off a little like people not wanting Nintendo "cheating" by using DLSS lol
For what its worth I will maybe try BotW/TotK once Switch 2 hits. Mainly because I assume they will be very smooth on there and they are a different spin on the IP so maybe I like it.
Seems the rumors have been pretty on point for this. Will be a great device for sure and hopefully elevate image quality on bigger screens to an acceptable level. Switch looks pretty rough on todays giant OLED 4K screens.
It's also not going to be the miracle device some of ya'll want this to be. Don't get caught up in this, it's happening every single hardware launch and shakes out exactly the same way, every time.
It's also not going to be the miracle device some of ya'll want this to be. Don't get caught up in this, it's happening every single hardware launch and shakes out exactly the same way, every time.