Monolith soft are the giants on whose shoulders the tech of Mario Odyssey, Zelda and more are built on. There doesn't exist a studio more important to Nintendo and some Nintendo fans simply don't know what they got.
If this is 400 USD, that means it will be 60,000 yen in Japan, pretty much killing its chances in that market. I wonder if Nintendo will sell it for lower there and region lock it.
We see pretty clearly what the likes of the Steam Deck / Rog Ally and Switch itself can do - this is not some massive reach people are making its literally comparative with the rest of the current market.
You should expect a generational leap the likes of that experienced by every other hardware maker when we go linearly from one gen to the next on the same architecture. Being overly pessimistic to the point of ignoring reality is far more eye roll worthy than people having perfectly normal, well informed expectations
Why region lock it? They sell Switch lower there too. Don't forget shipping and import cost. They could sell it around 46000-48000 yen probably.
Only if it's dynamic framerate and not a stable FPS will it have those improvements without a patch.
Would it die? I honestly doubt it. It's the only handheld console right now, it's the only platform that will have the next Pokemon. I definitely think Nintendo focusing it all on one handheld all but guarantees they'll never fail.
They are probably already planning on a cheaper version akin to lite.
Japanese prices aren't decided by how the Yen and USD compare. Switch OLED is $350 in the US and ¥37,980 in Japan instead of ¥54,496.
They aren't going to region lock it either.
The choice is simple, pay the 60K Yen or stop playing games cause there's no competition. They'll be fine.
Having ps4 levels in the palm of your hands is pretty incredible to me - I don't have a steam deck so i havn't been spoiled yet, but yeah it's miracle for me haha.
To be honest PS4 levels is all we ever need (could argue series s as it plays those games at 60fps). Think we will be in for some good times.
I do have a steamdeck aswell. But be aware that switch 2 based on the rumors will much more lean towards a ps5 then a steamdeck. Yes the portable experience will be prob downscaled, but still a lot better then a steamdeck based on those specs. In the end, resolution wise, playing on a smaller screen compared to a tv helps.
This sounds very positive. To be honest I always buy Nintendo consoles and barely play them, but I use the Deck quite a bit.
Really exciting times in the handheld space and I'm looking forward to what Nintendo can deliver with this level of performance on tap.
Really exciting times in the handheld space and I'm looking forward to what Nintendo can deliver with this level of performance on tap.
Max 20W unless Nintendo manages to thermally isolate the battery from the SoC.
Yeah, you're probably right. They will likely sell it for around 50k yen, which means it wouldn't be worth importing it for most people since you lost warranty, etc for saving 50 bucks or so after shipping/taxes. Though I wonder how much it would sell in Japan at that price, probably doesn't matter for the first year since it'll be sold out anyway.
Games with a dynamic resolution and/or that don't hit their framerate target might profit from the more powerful hardware, just like they do on an overclocked Switch right now, but they won't suddenly render at a higher resolution or with a higher framerate than what they were initially made for. That will require a patch.
The only general improvement I could see happening is that Switch games could run in docked mode while being played portably. But some games break when doing that because they expect detached joycons or other external controllers, so those would need to be individually patched as well. Nintendo might not want to make it a general option just to prevent any compatibility issues in the first place. Their approach to BC has always been pretty conservative, so it's best not to expect any improvements at all.
Sure, the price of designing the chip and complexity is not taken into account (Apple SoCs are among the biggest). There's obviously no reason why Apple is always the first to have access to the latest TSMC node.
Think it really depends on the cooling solution, the rog ally can draw 45-50 watts (35w on the Soc), the rig is bigger than the rumoured switch 2 dimensions but Nintendo could go 25-30 but I would expect Nintendo to play it conservative and be somewhere between 18-25w
Sounds like 20 could be the good spot then.
Where would that put the console in terms of max clocks, etc. etc.?
Also, do we know if they are planning any PS5-like variable clocks?
And what about handheld? Maybe 7W for Switch 1 games, up to a maximum of 15W?
Last edited:
I'm not one of them lol.
I seriously got pushback when I suggested Monolith Soft had clearly helped the Zelda team during the development of BoTW/ToTK, which surprised me because their influence was so blatantly obvious.
That is the average Nintendo fan just picking and choosing what to hate on. These same people would dare say they helped on the Pokemon games when there isn't any evidence of it. Just complete nonsense sometimes.
I think when frame rate is unlocked and you get dynamic resolution in games you'll get that. I do wonder however if Nintendo may make "4K" versions of legacy Switch titles, but for owners of those titles they get a discount, either by patching a physical Switch game (physical cartridge just validates that you own the game) or by checking your purchase history.
So if you don't own it on the Switch, that'll be $70, if you own it on the Switch, that'll be $10-$15 to get access to the 4K remaster. Or you can just play it as is with BC.
What if we can plug in a SSD in the dock to access more games if the Switch 2 is docked? Would be nice.
Not really? I mean we're still looking at an Ampere GPU launching in 2025 possibly on a 10nm derivative Samsung process.
Impressive for a 2025 would be using N3 packing 2x the GPU into that. As it is it all looks very Nintendo - using ~5 years old tech for their newest console.
If the storage speeds are really that needed I hope this will be an option, the Deck already showed this is a good alternative.
These are going to be years away imo.
The team behind odyssey release mario wonder and tears of the kingdom was released last year which it took them 6 years to create.
Mario Wonder is EPD 10 (who also do Pikmin, which is now partially outsourced to Eighting), Odyssey is EPD 8. In fact, it's actually been rumored that the big launch title is a new 3D Mario. And considering how long it's been since EPD 8's last big release, it makes sense.
But what if clocks are exactly the same in BC mode? I imagine there won't be any improvements then?
They need to take full advantage of the Switch first, lol
The games you play the most/on the go are on the internal storage of the Switch 2 and all others on the SSD connected to the Dock.
This would be amazing.
A DMC5 port wouldn't be surprising either. Switch got the first 3 games (but no DMC4 or DmC).
Typical Nintendo wanting to sell a profitable $400 mass market device instead of a niche $800 one. Idiots
They could just have a 2230 ssd expansion slot on the unit
Nintendo: We are about to bear witness to the birth of a new universe!
Yeah I always get these confused, I hate how they are named lol.
What if:
Yeah I always get these confused, I hate how they are named lol.
What if:
I don't think they'll do this :/
Unfortunately, NVMe SSDs draw too much power for them to be a realistic option for the Switch 2. And I'm not sure Nintendo would be ok with storage exclusive to the dock.What if:
Why? The Switch was considerably cheaper and smaller than the iPad..If anything, its closer Apple competitor was the iTouch, which the Switch trounced, and the more expensive Mini 4, which did had the plain A8. Also, TX1 was also the best performing non apple mobile soc for its time, its not like Nintendo could have used the A8X even of they wanted to.
And this in theoretical performance. In actual game performance, here's the Switch outperforming a Galaxy S21 in an actual game:
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=waEcSrNPwEI
Broadly comparable, probably a little bit better image quality and raytracing.
Probably close to the Rog ally but with all the nvidia benefits
It's worth remembering that a steamdeck only has a 4 core cpu and a 1.6Tflop GPU.
Last edited:
Unless they have a Switch chipset built-in, it's going to be extremely difficult to reproduce without emulation.