She claims near the beginning that she's neither going the right-wing emboldened by canceling route, nor the crying apology video route. The video is an hour and forty minutes long, so I don't have much more info for you now.
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She claims near the beginning that she's neither going the right-wing emboldened by canceling route, nor the crying apology video route. The video is an hour and forty minutes long, so I don't have much more info for you now.
I'm really really really not a fan of YouTubers making a long ego-stroking "guess I'm cancelled!!!!" video instead of just taking an L.
An hour and forty minutes...
How hard it is to say "Sorry, I messed up, it's on me I'll do better,won't happen again"
Guess I'll find out
How hard it is to say "Sorry, I messed up, it's on me I'll do better,won't happen again"
Guess I'll find out
I'm at the part where she's talking about going to bed with a few valid criticisms and waking up with tweets about how she's contributing to asian hate and violence.
Here is some context
www.hitc.com
On March 26, Lindsay became the center of attention after she tweeted her thoughts on 'Raya' and 'Avatar: The Last Airbender.' In a now-deleted tweet, she wrote: "Also watched Raya and the Last Dragon and I think we need to come up with a name for this genre that is basically Avatar: the Last Airbender reduxes. It's like half of all YA fantasy published in the last few years anyway."
Her tweet received backlash and in a bid to justify her statement, Lindsay made another tweet. She wrote: "I can see where if you squint I was implying all Asian-inspired properties are the same, especially if you were already privy to those conversations where I had not seen them. But the basic framework of TLA is becoming popular in fantasy fiction outside of Asian inspired stuff."
Unfortunately, people were not pleased with her statement, and the backlash continued. Several Twitter users jumped on the bandwagon of cancel culture and called Lindsay out for her words.
Lindsay Ellis' Roya tweet explored: Star responds to being 'cancelled'
Here's a look at Lindsay Ellis' Roya tweet which led her to be 'cancelled' on Twitter. On December 28, Lindsay confirmed she would be leaving YouTube.
www.hitc.com
On March 26, Lindsay became the center of attention after she tweeted her thoughts on 'Raya' and 'Avatar: The Last Airbender.' In a now-deleted tweet, she wrote: "Also watched Raya and the Last Dragon and I think we need to come up with a name for this genre that is basically Avatar: the Last Airbender reduxes. It's like half of all YA fantasy published in the last few years anyway."
Her tweet received backlash and in a bid to justify her statement, Lindsay made another tweet. She wrote: "I can see where if you squint I was implying all Asian-inspired properties are the same, especially if you were already privy to those conversations where I had not seen them. But the basic framework of TLA is becoming popular in fantasy fiction outside of Asian inspired stuff."
Unfortunately, people were not pleased with her statement, and the backlash continued. Several Twitter users jumped on the bandwagon of cancel culture and called Lindsay out for her words.
what she really needs is an editor jesus christ
there is no way in hell anything she is saying needs to be an hour and forty minutes long
there is no way in hell anything she is saying needs to be an hour and forty minutes long
Lindsay Ellis drops a take so bad she has to nuke her Twitter
That take is pretty yikes on its own, but read the room, Lindsay.
www.resetera.com
So far, the assessment of toxic Twitter culture seems absolutely spot on, and her recount of past controversies and apology for them seems pretty honest.
She seems to cover the actual scandal as it relates to her at 13:40
But in general it's a piece about how Twitter (and most modern social media sites) thrive on blowing things up, with everyone being encouraged to get a voice in even if the person affected cannot reasonably read it all, literally cannot read it (she wasn't reading Resetera, for example), or got the point hours ago.
She probably shoulda started with an actual apology as I can see this structure making her seem more flippant about it, digging the hole even deeper, but yeah.
But in general it's a piece about how Twitter (and most modern social media sites) thrive on blowing things up, with everyone being encouraged to get a voice in even if the person affected cannot reasonably read it all, literally cannot read it (she wasn't reading Resetera, for example), or got the point hours ago.
She probably shoulda started with an actual apology as I can see this structure making her seem more flippant about it, digging the hole even deeper, but yeah.
Thanks as well!Lindsay Ellis drops a take so bad she has to nuke her Twitter
That take is pretty yikes on its own, but read the room, Lindsay.
If you squint?Lindsay Ellis drops a take so bad she has to nuke her Twitter
That take is pretty yikes on its own, but read the room, Lindsay.
Yikes.
i have no dog in the fight and barely know what she is "cancelled for" but just wanted to say if she went that route people here and elsewhere would be roasting her anyway saying they don't believe her.
I was told as an Asian person, I'm not allowed to be offended by this.
Here is some context
Lindsay Ellis' Roya tweet explored: Star responds to being 'cancelled'
Here's a look at Lindsay Ellis' Roya tweet which led her to be 'cancelled' on Twitter. On December 28, Lindsay confirmed she would be leaving YouTube.
On March 26, Lindsay became the center of attention after she tweeted her thoughts on 'Raya' and 'Avatar: The Last Airbender.' In a now-deleted tweet, she wrote: "Also watched Raya and the Last Dragon and I think we need to come up with a name for this genre that is basically Avatar: the Last Airbender reduxes. It's like half of all YA fantasy published in the last few years anyway."
Her tweet received backlash and in a bid to justify her statement, Lindsay made another tweet. She wrote: "I can see where if you squint I was implying all Asian-inspired properties are the same, especially if you were already privy to those conversations where I had not seen them. But the basic framework of TLA is becoming popular in fantasy fiction outside of Asian inspired stuff."
Unfortunately, people were not pleased with her statement, and the backlash continued. Several Twitter users jumped on the bandwagon of cancel culture and called Lindsay out for her words.
Hum can someone explain what the issue here is? I'm not really familiar with the movie or the Avatar show other than seeing some scenes on youtube.
Lmao that duplicate thread even had the exact same title
Being a visible Youtuber sounds exhausting. Also, I'm afraid she's going to get alcohol poisoning.
People don't need to apologize for shit they don't feel was wrong just to appease frothing mobs on twitter.
She certainly doesn't seem to understand the concept of an economy of words.
She doubled down and made another tweet basically (paraphrasing) saying You'd have to "squint" very hard to see anything nefarious. That's such a racist remark.
Movies like Raya are considered landmark representation so a "lol Avatar" hot-take was at the worst possible time.
Yeah, YouTube apology videos are a bit of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation. Either you get right to the point, keep it brief, and people accuse you of glossing over the controversy - or you go in depth and people accuse you of milking the moment for content.
Frankly, the pile-on felt gross from the beginning to me - and it seems like she has a pretty reasonable take on the whole situation. There is no room online for nuanced criticism - you're always perceived as either a stan or a troll.
I wonder how many white people are going to go into this thread with the exact same meaningless "do better" tripe that the Twitter dogpile consisted of.
"Listen to POC" Which ones? The ones who are loud and angry and agree with you? Or the ones who don't?
No, it's not, what the fuck.
"Twitter is designed to encourage this behavior."
Honestly, she could've used "social media" instead of naming Twitter specifically because they all thrive on a rage.
So far (first 10 minutes), it's a solid run down on Twitter being easily made a shit platform, but also how capitalism and the demand for perpetual growth is particularly poisonous to a "free social media platform".
But man I hope she at least apologizes for using "squint". That was just such a bad choice of word but I refuse to believe she did that intentionally to poke/prod asian readers. It's still a very solid fuck up.
Honestly, she could've used "social media" instead of naming Twitter specifically because they all thrive on a rage.
So far (first 10 minutes), it's a solid run down on Twitter being easily made a shit platform, but also how capitalism and the demand for perpetual growth is particularly poisonous to a "free social media platform".
But man I hope she at least apologizes for using "squint". That was just such a bad choice of word but I refuse to believe she did that intentionally to poke/prod asian readers. It's still a very solid fuck up.
It's an important video - it specifically address a lot of stuff in that Twitter thread people were passing around
Also, it gets really heavy at one or two points - discussion of SA and people on Twitter accusing her of apologia
Also, it gets really heavy at one or two points - discussion of SA and people on Twitter accusing her of apologia
The majority of the video is almost exclusively going over and discussing why some past behaviors are problematic
I really don't know anything about this person. I'm...having trouble seeing what was so wildly inappropriate about what was said, though.Here is some context
Lindsay Ellis' Roya tweet explored: Star responds to being 'cancelled'
Here's a look at Lindsay Ellis' Roya tweet which led her to be 'cancelled' on Twitter. On December 28, Lindsay confirmed she would be leaving YouTube.
On March 26, Lindsay became the center of attention after she tweeted her thoughts on 'Raya' and 'Avatar: The Last Airbender.' In a now-deleted tweet, she wrote: "Also watched Raya and the Last Dragon and I think we need to come up with a name for this genre that is basically Avatar: the Last Airbender reduxes. It's like half of all YA fantasy published in the last few years anyway."
Her tweet received backlash and in a bid to justify her statement, Lindsay made another tweet. She wrote: "I can see where if you squint I was implying all Asian-inspired properties are the same, especially if you were already privy to those conversations where I had not seen them. But the basic framework of TLA is becoming popular in fantasy fiction outside of Asian inspired stuff."
Unfortunately, people were not pleased with her statement, and the backlash continued. Several Twitter users jumped on the bandwagon of cancel culture and called Lindsay out for her words.
The parts describing her suicide attempt and her rape and her committing assault seem way too raw even with the censoring she did in post. This is incredibly uncomfortable to watch.
Seems like that's the bulk of it. Largely unpacking Twitter hyperbole and how valid criticisms can spiral out of control via dogpiling.
She does, she basically says she tweeted it in the morning so didn't think through the implications.
Considering a lot of folks use the phrase "if you squint" in their common vernacular it's not exactly shocking it could slip through, especially when you've woken up to thousands of comments and are flustered to the point of not thinking straight. She definitely should have said something about it in that twitter thread before wiping the slate, though.
I just finished watching this. She never apologizes if you're looking for that. If you're looking specifically for comments on the Raya situation it boils down to: "Honest Trailers didnt have to apologize for making the same comparison so why should I". She specifically mentions the people saying things like "I think she's a good person but she should at least apologize for <THIS ONE THING>" and says that type of logic contributes to harassment and empowers bad-faith people etc.
It's funny because a discussiong thread about this 'response video' is antithetical to her final point of the video that she's not going to care about "threat modeling" or how people can miscontrue what she means anymore. Not necessarily not caring about criticism in general but that aspect of criticism.
It's funny because a discussiong thread about this 'response video' is antithetical to her final point of the video that she's not going to care about "threat modeling" or how people can miscontrue what she means anymore. Not necessarily not caring about criticism in general but that aspect of criticism.
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Not disagreeing that it probably should've been thought out a little better, but isn't it just a reference to the tendency of people to squint their eyes when they're looking at something carefully or to try to see something in a new way? Like, that's pretty commonly referenced, I thought. like in this clip:
It wouldn't have occurred to me to think of that phrasing any other way because I've so often heard this.
There is some kind of irony in this point and the fact that people are calling the video to long.
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