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Industry just managed a killstreak.
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List of live service games canned this week (9 thus far)
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Industry just managed a killstreak.
Along with large rounds of layoffs we've seen recently I'm guessing some internal forecasters have scared companies into cutting costs.
They must all be getting the same info for this to all be happening in such a short period of time.
They must all be getting the same info for this to all be happening in such a short period of time.
Rumor has it The Coalition canceled their smaller project and EA canceled Apex single player game. I'm not sure if this tells me too much about live service games (you can't really "can" a single player game that has already released) but more about the state of the economy and how publishers are cutting costs and taking less risks.
Don't get me wrong, not trying to paint me as "smarter than most" picture while saying it is destined to fail, it might work and get them some hits.
But there are several red flags at least deserving discussion.
Run the fear of missing out into the ground and see how well it goes. Not surprising, I couldn't devote that kind of time to those smaller scale GaaS games when it's already hard enough to keep up with Fortnite, COD, Fall Guys, Overwatch 2 and various other higher quality products.
companies need to learn that if they arent first then there dead last when it comes to jumping on a trend. unless you have something that truly standouts no one is gonna abandon the game their playing for something similar unless all the friends follow them too
Given the reasoning behind the Bungie purchase and building a Live Service Center of Excellence (that's literally the name lmao) I doubt this'll change their current plans.
The upside would be that Sony could use it as an example in the future. Same with mmos or tacked on mps, etc.
"Dear shareholders. We've tried and failed. From now on we'll try again but only with a few titles and not 10+. "
Can someone help me understand why these are being taken offline completely when we still have countless MP games from last generation and even the 360/PS3 generation still active? (even with tiny player bases) Is there something inherently more expensive about maintaining these games from a networking standpoint even if we assume they would stop all content and development updates?
Genuinely asking here, it feels like a new trend and one that's incredibly harmful to the communities formed around these games, no matter how small.
Edit: For example my sister was still playing the 360 version of PvZ Garden Warfare religiously up until a month ago. Servers were still up, MTX still purchase-able, etc.
Genuinely asking here, it feels like a new trend and one that's incredibly harmful to the communities formed around these games, no matter how small.
Edit: For example my sister was still playing the 360 version of PvZ Garden Warfare religiously up until a month ago. Servers were still up, MTX still purchase-able, etc.
I don't have all the answers (hopefully someone who knows a bit more can hop in), but i imagine the cost of maintaining it live might drastically surpasses its financial return (?)
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Seems like damned if you do, damned if you don't proposition for most GaaS devs looking to break into the space. Either the game doesn't attract a large enough audience quickly enough and dies, or it does gain traction, and now you're faced with the nigh impossible task of feeding content to the player base at a rate that keeps them satisfied, engaged, and growing.
Doesn't help that the GaaS leader(Fortnite) releases content at a pace that very few devs are equipped to match.
Doesn't help that the GaaS leader(Fortnite) releases content at a pace that very few devs are equipped to match.
It's an over-saturated market.
If Sony is still thinking their GaaS model is sustainable they need a rethink.
Dump money into Factions
If Sony is still thinking their GaaS model is sustainable they need a rethink.
Dump money into Factions
I had no idea Crimesight was a live service game, it always looked cool, but I just never bothered with it.
Predator has no reason to die it's not a game meant to get continuous income / content, it's just MP focused game.
Love Live in particular shouldn't count (as Gematsu's already said) because a) that game's been alive for almost a decade, and b) they're working on School Idol Festival 2 right now. I have to imagine that School Idol Festival's shutdown has been planned for quite a while.
No idea. Are most of those 360/PS3 active games being hosted on the player side or are they actually dedicated servers?
I don't think Sony is going "all in" on GAAS, I think only a couple of the planned GAAS games are internally developed (not counting MLB, Gran Turismo or Destiny) and I think they know as much as anyone that GAAS is a risk, hence why they are releasing so many of them with the hopes that at least one of them becomes a massive success.
GAAS is very much high risk, high reward so you'll continue to see publishers pushing it at least for now
I think the biggest thing is that a lot of older games especially from the PS3/360 generation just used the Xbox/Playstation/Steam matchmaking services and had peer to peer connections for the games rather than just dedicated servers for everything. Like I know that COD didn't switch to dedicated servers until either Ghosts or Advanced Warfare and that at launch, Halo MCC used peer to peer matchmaking rather than dedicated servers as well.
Nowadays though dedicated servers are the norm for games and with crossplay in the picture they probably don't only use the Xbox/Playstation/Steam matchmaking services and instead use their own which means that they need to maintain that stuff and keep at least a small support team there to make sure that nothing breaks and that if anything does break it's fixed relatively soon, and with no money to be brought in, it's pointless for them to do all that
So yeah Platinum Games are still making a GaaS game right? They built a studio for one I seem to recall?
I think they're trying to say that instead of going crazy with the dozen+ GaaS projects they have lined up right now, that they should focus on just a couple of big ones, with Factions being the most obvious one to prioritize due to the popularity of TLOU.
Sony should reconsider the sustainability of GAAS by dumping money into a GAAS.
To have winners we need a lot of losers. FEH is one of the winners
Back in the days before matchmaking services (and even afterwards) community-managed dedicated servers were a thing; Team Fortress 2 has tons of them. So I wouldn't blame dedicated servers for all this; publishers and developers wanting more control over the play environment so they can set up persistent progression systems is my big guess for why we don't see dedicated servers run by the community for most games nowadays (i.e. GAAS or GASS-lite systems).
hurr hurr GAAS-lite
I mean, seeing the list, it's not the win anti-GaaS people think it is.
A bunch of those games were just mediocre/had a bad lifecycle, which explains why people didn't play them much. That's pretty much it.
It's not like games like Warzone/Apex/LoL/Destiny closing their servers.
Also why do people see Crimesight as GaaS? I don't remember any GaaS element in the game from the few times I've played it back at release.
Is it because it's an always online game?
A bunch of those games were just mediocre/had a bad lifecycle, which explains why people didn't play them much. That's pretty much it.
It's not like games like Warzone/Apex/LoL/Destiny closing their servers.
Also why do people see Crimesight as GaaS? I don't remember any GaaS element in the game from the few times I've played it back at release.
Is it because it's an always online game?
