Doesn't feel like Mulan , just feels like warrior girl does stuff. No Eddie Murphy and no "I'll make a man out of you" what the hell is the point
Live Action Mulan Trailer (Spring 2020)
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Tbh, the only thing in keeping with the ballad in the original is the very basics of the story, making a more accurate film would mean discarding most of it
I don't know about that. It looks too similar to just about a dozen other wuxia movies like this that come out every year. The main novelty is that....it's in English?
Edit: Then again, they do seem to love their endless-budget historic pieces. If they can cram as much spectacle in as, say Red Cliffs or Dragon Blade, that's a big draw there.
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if they do a 1:1 everyone is like "so why do we need this?" if they change something everyone is like "A X MOVIE WITHOUT X??? HOW COULD THEY".
who cares either way.
Buncha (not quite) grown ups who cling to their childhoods because they struggle with growing up issues is my guess if I had to answer
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No music. No Mushu. Not paying.
Mulan is my favorite Disney movie ever since I saw it in theaters as a kid. I am personally not one for musicals anymore but I'll be damned if Mushu and Let's Get Down To Business isn't included. Dishonor on Disney, dishonor on your producers, dishonor on your cow if they aren't in.
Mulan is my favorite Disney movie ever since I saw it in theaters as a kid. I am personally not one for musicals anymore but I'll be damned if Mushu and Let's Get Down To Business isn't included. Dishonor on Disney, dishonor on your producers, dishonor on your cow if they aren't in.
Mulan soundtrack was flames. not just the lyrical songs which are arguably some of Disney's best ever but the OST from Jerry Goldsmith too
that kick into 80s training montage music 1 minute in.....
honestly it would do them a lot of good to at least incorporate Mulan's theme into this if nothing else.
also whats this trash idea of including an evil witch in this remake. should have just kept it versus enemy soldiers.
that kick into 80s training montage music 1 minute in.....
honestly it would do them a lot of good to at least incorporate Mulan's theme into this if nothing else.
also whats this trash idea of including an evil witch in this remake. should have just kept it versus enemy soldiers.
The great stone dragon hasn't awoken yet.
It just looks like every other Chinese period movie to be honest. Early days, though.
It just looks like every other Chinese period movie to be honest. Early days, though.
Western animated movies can do really well in China, Zootopia And Coco in particular were massive there even when compared with their US box-office. The Reflections song is quite well known in China. What tend to do less well are movies relying on nostalgia or are sequels to movies no one there has seen. I don't know about how this will do, since it is a bit generic when in a crowd of wuxia movies, having songs may be what makes it stand out. Then again, we don't really have outstanding wuxia movies coming out now compared with the 2000s. And the actress is known, but not universally loved, so not sure how much of a draw she is.
Hercules is my favourite 2d movie ever, and i wouldnt mind if the actually did all the original songs. But Disney seems to hate hercules for some kind of strange reason so theres probably going to be a tarzan movie before that. Maybe Hunchback?
Even then, Hercules is Superman mixed with Rocky. We need a good full of heart superman movie again, so let it come.
I mean..... yes? Folks were probably gonna do that anyway.
Posts like this confuse me. Is this thread supposed to only be for positive posts? Or is this one specific complaint not allowed? Cause let's be real: these remakes are soulless cash grabs built almost entirely on the premise of "Here's the same movie you saw 20 years ago but real." They've literally trained the audience to expect as few changes as possible.
So here comes Mulan, with many of original movie's most memorable elements removed, nothing (so far) added to make up for it, and this generic ass Chinese action flick trailer. People are probably not gonna be into that.
This is the first Disney live action remake I'm actually interested in after seeing the trailer.
I read the thread title as Last Action Hero...and now I wanna watch me some Arnold flicks. Thanks, OP.
I don't know, man. We're like 7 of these movies in, and literally every one gets complained about regarding it's lack of adherence to the original. [Edit: everything I wrote after this redacted. I went too hard in the paint]
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True, after the trailer it felt kind of weird that it's called "Disney's Mulan" when it just looks so normal.
But I have to admit that if it was a 1:1 remake I'd probably ask what the point of this is
I'll give you that, but I do think that despite complaints, people have come to expect these films to be as close to the 90s films as possible. Especially when "Member Lion King?" is still the only hook these things have.
I'm all for remakes and reimaginings trying new things, and I appreciate Mulan trying somewhat to mix it up in comparison to the other remakes. However, based on this teaser and reports, they seem to have gone with an "addition by subtraction" approach wherein the new elements are just the removal of things from the animated movie. I expect many would be willing to deal with that if this didn't look so damn boring.
I have nothing against remakes in general. Hollywood been doing it for decades. But this current Disney crop just feels so...underwhelming. Especially when you think about all the things they could be doing.
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Yeah, I agree with you. There are some people in here saying the exact opposite when it comes to the original Disney Mulan though and I'm curious where they're getting their info from.
Are you calling the Disney movie the "original material"? I can't tell anymore.
No one:
Disney: Hey let's make live action movies out of the most classic era of our movies, which everyone loves and just wants to remember as they were!
They're only doing this to renew the copyrights on these properties.
I don't know where the "this isn't addition, but subtraction!" line is coming from. Mushu isn't just gone- he's replaced with a phoenix. Shang isn't just gone- he's replaced with two different characters. Shan Yu isn't just gone - he's replaced with a witch. And we heard a refrain from Reflection in the trailer! Songs may still be in.
To start, one on China itself's reception:
Mushu is definitely a huge part of it. He's just not a dragon, to a lot of Chinese viewers at the time, he's an American goofball cartoon:
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However, Chinese nationals aren't the only ones who didn't like aspects of the movie-- Chinese and Asian Americans have problems with it as well (though seem to generally agree that in spite of said problems, the original movie was a good "first step" of sorts towards not only seeing Chinese/Asian representation in Disney media, but American media at all):
There's also general criticism in how Mulan was handled after the movie as a marketing tool- she hated the "geisha" getup (yes, Disney still calls it that, why, I don't know), yet that's what she's seen in in all the Disney Princess materials minus the white makeup, and when presented at the Disney parks. She's rarely, if ever, in her armor or in her outfit from the end of the movie.
Basically, Mulan is.... pretty problematic. That's not to say one cannot enjoy it. Many Asian Americans certainly do. But it has its issues among Chinese people and Asian Americans. This remake seems to at the very least be addressing Asian Americans' problems with it, if not Chinese nationals' as well with how Mushu seems to have been replaced.
I will say, with all of this in mind, I am unsure how Chinese people and Asian Americans will take the apparent "Black Panther" approach I've heard may be what Disney's going for. With Black Panther, a new, fictional culture in Wakanda was created based on the idea of a quasi-utopia hidden in Africa. China, on the other hand, is real and exists. So, keeping in mind I'm not Asian, I think it could go either way, as long as they keep to Chinese culture, and don't randomly throw in Korean, Japanese, or other Asian culture.
Here's some articles on the subject and excerpts.
To start, one on China itself's reception:
Mushu is definitely a huge part of it. He's just not a dragon, to a lot of Chinese viewers at the time, he's an American goofball cartoon:
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The article also mentions Mulan wanting to shirk her responsibilities to her family as being out of character for, well, the character. But I'm not sure how much that carries water, as I've also anectodally seen people say that while the movie has a lot of problems, looking back, a number of Chinese women do like Mulan's portrayal herself.
However, Chinese nationals aren't the only ones who didn't like aspects of the movie-- Chinese and Asian Americans have problems with it as well (though seem to generally agree that in spite of said problems, the original movie was a good "first step" of sorts towards not only seeing Chinese/Asian representation in Disney media, but American media at all):
There's also general criticism in how Mulan was handled after the movie as a marketing tool- she hated the "geisha" getup (yes, Disney still calls it that, why, I don't know), yet that's what she's seen in in all the Disney Princess materials minus the white makeup, and when presented at the Disney parks. She's rarely, if ever, in her armor or in her outfit from the end of the movie.
Basically, Mulan is.... pretty problematic. That's not to say one cannot enjoy it. Many Asian Americans certainly do. But it has its issues among Chinese people and Asian Americans. This remake seems to at the very least be addressing Asian Americans' problems with it, if not Chinese nationals' as well with how Mushu seems to have been replaced.
I will say, with all of this in mind, I am unsure how Chinese people and Asian Americans will take the apparent "Black Panther" approach I've heard may be what Disney's going for. With Black Panther, a new, fictional culture in Wakanda was created based on the idea of a quasi-utopia hidden in Africa. China, on the other hand, is real and exists. So, keeping in mind I'm not Asian, I think it could go either way, as long as they keep to Chinese culture, and don't randomly throw in Korean, Japanese, or other Asian culture.
so from what I can tell, this isn't really a remake per se of the 1998 film, more a new adaptation of the same source material that borrows a few elements here and there from the animated film (I think the 2015 Cinderella took more or less the same approach)
Yep. And what do you know, Cinderella was my favorite one of these! :P
It looks pretty interesting. I like how it seems to be a completely different take on the original source material instead of just a live-action rehash of the animated movie.
You really can't renew copyrights though. 100 years in the future you'll be able to use all the elements from the cartoon Mulan not protected by trademark. The only thing protected for another 20 years will be the original things in this version
This is a good point. I never had an issue connecting with my heritage through media while growing up in America cause I had access to a lot of Hong Kong and Chinese movies and TV show. I was and still however happy that an American company like Disney took some interests in Chinese stories and attempted to adapt it into a cartoon. Mulan maybe problematic, but it's like still one few of the shining stars of Western media portraying Chinese people without me rolling my eyes.
I would want this to be successful, but shit looks some generic Chinese war movie to me, but I'll probably still see it.
You should stop giving a shit about people's personal taste and opinions on stuff like movies.
It's your money and your time, use it however you like.
I have to say, I'm a little disappointed that there's no Li Shang or Mushu, but as I understand these characters don't exist in the original story.
My only question now is: if they're concerned about making movies faithful to the original material, why wasn't Aladdin Chinese?
My only question now is: if they're concerned about making movies faithful to the original material, why wasn't Aladdin Chinese?
It was clear from the very beginning that this Mulan wasn't going to be based on the 1997 Mulan the way the other Disney remakes are. I wouldn't even call the changes changes because the two films aren't really meant to do the same thing. Also, this is only a trailer so I wouldn't be surprised if the actual film will be quite different in tone and mood. And really, this only makes sense. Disney isn't going to want to do a complete remake of the 1997 film because that probably wouldn't play very well with Chinese audiences. The problem is that the film just didn't feel very authentically Chinese just like how Jade Empire don't feel authentic.
How much would carry over into the film? Probably not very much. There isn't any room for any nuance in the setting for this film because most of the audiences don't know the foggiest thing about Chinese history to begin with. The 2009 Mulan film was actually set in Northern Wei, but it treated it like any other Chinese empire.
It'd be really something if this film were to try to bring in some historic authenticity. If Mulan was a historic figure, she would have been fighting for Northern Wei. I've recently read a novel about this historical Mulan and oh boy, is Northern Wei different from how most people think of Imperial China. For starters, this kingdom isn't ruled by the Han Chinese. It's a multi-ethnic kingdom ruled by the Xianbei, a tribe of horse nomads more akin to the Mongols or the Huns than to regular Chinese dynasties. Northern Wei was also the superpower of its era; it ended up conquering all of Northern China and would have had a shot of conquering the south if it wasn't divided by internal conflicts.
How much would carry over into the film? Probably not very much. There isn't any room for any nuance in the setting for this film because most of the audiences don't know the foggiest thing about Chinese history to begin with. The 2009 Mulan film was actually set in Northern Wei, but it treated it like any other Chinese empire.
The original Aladdin wasn't Chinese - he was an Arab and the land that he travelled to, and the princess he married was Chinese. Or actually, not-Chinese. The original storytellers just used China as the setting because it was the most distant and exotic place they could think of. The place was still stylistically Arabian.
Geez, tough crowd. Sounds like they need to lighten up or something. :|
I remember Reflection being a pretty popular song so I don't get why these people are hating the songs. I think I heard the Chinese version first and didn't know it was from Mulan until later.
What's the point? There are 1 million similar ancient kongfu movie (that do better).
Have you seen Shadow by Zhang yimou? It's actually a great movie with good modernize presentation.
This is a remake of Disney's Mulan, not the original story. Most Disney adaptations don't follow the original source that closely.
Liu Yifei does sing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRPGDcIenZs
What gave you the idea that this was supposed to be a remake of the 1997 film? From the get go, it was pretty obvious that this film was going to go in a different direction. It's very much a retelling of the original ballad because Disney is aiming it at an audience that may not have any interest in the 1997 film.
Yeah, gives it the potential to be something other than a mediocre rehash.
