Same for me, Helldivers 2 looks rough with Loseless, Ghost of Tsushima with FSR3 Frame Generation looks better to me, still somewhat noticeable but better.
Lossless Scaling Can Now Add Frame Generation to Most Games!
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Same for me, Helldivers 2 looks rough with Loseless, Ghost of Tsushima with FSR3 Frame Generation looks better to me, still somewhat noticeable but better.
Is that down to playing with a m+kB vs controller though? I would have thought the artifacts would be better hidden with the smoother motion of analog camera control.
An Nvidia version with ML, kinda like their universal DLDSR option for down sampling, really sounds like an easy software win. I feel like it's one of those types of features that will come with the RTX 5xxx series, then trickle down to older RTX cards. Working this sort of feature directly into handhelds also seems like an easy win because it's a performance bump without a hardware upgrade.
tested this throughout the weekend, and was impressed with the results on 60fps --> 120 fps scenarios. only problem ive faced was that for some reason, my fps is being limited to 116-117 fps (which is expected normally, given i put a cap in nvidia's control panel for 117 fps for latency and gsync), which ended up introducing stutter, despite turning everything that could do that off (low latency, max fps, gsync, etc).
limiting the game fps in RTSS to 58 solved this issue, thankfully, and now its smooth as hell. this rules.
limiting the game fps in RTSS to 58 solved this issue, thankfully, and now its smooth as hell. this rules.
Minor word of warning to any AMD users - if you use image sharpening in your global profile in Adrenalin, it recognises Lossless Scaling as a game/application and applies sharpening to that. I couldn't figure out why Yuzu was looking weird/over sharpened for a while until I realised that the above was happening. Not sure if it 'double' sharpens if you have sharpening enabled for a vanilla PC game as well, but in Yuzu specifically it was working on top of the emulator's built in filters (I was using FSR at the time).
For anyone into remote play - running lossless scaling on the host pc doesn't work via remote play. If you have a windows handheld though, run lossless scaling on it and it works perfect!
Sure does. Games that were locked at 30 due to their physics breaking like wind waker hd and twilight princess hd? Smooth 60 now.
Then you arent using it right. Make sure you have it set to performance mode if you're using LSFG 2.0. You're never going to get a pure 2x if you were already limited somewhere before, but it is a substantial uplift in the titles I use it in daily right now (Diablo 4, Genshin Impact).
According to the LS discord, the latest Nvidia drivers (555.85) are bugged, making LSFG 2.0 performance much more GPU intensive than it should be.
You can either wait for a patch or roll your drivers back using this guide if you're affected.
You can either wait for a patch or roll your drivers back using this guide if you're affected.
Funnily enough I'm having a very funny bug where geforce experience prevents me to log-in to check my driver numbers, but it would explain why outrun 2 jumped from 10% to 65% gpu utilization with framegen. i'm not getting my hopes up nvidia fixes anything though
Honestly I'm not sure what it is I'm doing wrong
So overall the usefulness of framegen from lossless scaling is mostly centered around old PC games, emulators and games that have a hard framerate lock rather than games where you can reach the FPS target yourself.
But maybe the GPU driver is the culprit
It does show to me that using framegen 2.0 to double 72 FPS into 144 FPS is reaching the same performance impact as 144 FPS.NO FRAMEGEN 72 FPS
FRAMEGEN 72 FPS (so doubled to 144)
native 144 FPS
So overall the usefulness of framegen from lossless scaling is mostly centered around old PC games, emulators and games that have a hard framerate lock rather than games where you can reach the FPS target yourself.
But maybe the GPU driver is the culprit
Motion clarity is improved. And if you really want to make sure that Lossless Scaling frame gen is turned on, then toggle the Show FPS button in Lossless Scaling which will show an "output FPS" number at the top corner of your screen when frame gen is enabled
For framegen, it's most obvious in games that are locked at 30FPS. Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD and Okami look like brand-new remasters where the developers went back in and updated all the animations for higher framerates.
For games locked at 60, one of the easiest ways to tell if framegen is working is looking at objects moving by in-game and see how "blurry" they look on the screen with framegen on vs. off. There should appear to be a lot less blurriness at 120 vs 60 (or 144 vs 72, etc).
Version 2.8.2 is out on the beta branch. For those who are on the 555.85 Nvidia drivers, this reworks a lot of LSFG 2.0 (non-Performance mode) to maintain the same GPU usage as before. Slightly older GPUs might even see a slight increase, apparently.
How's the input latency when using this? If I use FG to go from 60 > 120, does it still have the same input latency of running the game at 60fps, but with the motion clarity of 120? Or does it have more or less input latency than the base 60?
The latency will remain the same. Whether you're scaling, using framegen, or both, this app doesn't actually alter any game files or change the engine in any way, etc; it's just a post-processing effect. (A very, very good one, but still.)
Got it. So it'll feel like 60fps but look like 120. Seems to be worth a shot. Thanks.
Yep I've tried with Planescape Torment and it was nice. Not a massive difference overall, but noticeably smoother animations (40 base fps to 80 fps)
2.8.2 is out of beta now, doesn't seem to be any further changes.
The app itself is also really taking off recently. Just saw this in the discord:
That +353% jump in users in January (when framegen was introduced) is nuts
The app itself is also really taking off recently. Just saw this in the discord:
That +353% jump in users in January (when framegen was introduced) is nuts
It's deserved. Great app and it massively improved.2.8.2 is out of beta now, doesn't seem to be any further changes.
The app itself is also really taking off recently. Just saw this in the discord:
That +353% jump in users in January (when framegen was introduced) is nuts
A new patch with a promise of 3X FPS and more improvements is coming early next month. I wonder if this means limiting the FPS to 40 results in 120 FPS. The input lag is certainly worrying, but I'm looking forward to the new patch nevertheless.
Triple FPS sounds absolutely insane...but if anyone could pull this off, it's the dev who got me playing through Final Fantasy X, Okami, etc. in a way-more-convincing-than-should-ever-be-possible 60 FPS. Very curious how an interpolated 90 FPS will look there.
i really wish someone figures out a way of running this on Linux one day, this would be such a fantastic addition the the Deck
I would very much like Baldur's Gate 3 at 30 FPS interpolated to 90 FPS.
I'd like to think it would look a bit smoother. Not sure if that would mean 2x the latency increase though.
I think there is (as of right now) too much overhead for the Deck.
The triple thing is cool but at a certain point you can't get away from the disconnect between the look of say 120fps and the feel/input latency of 40fps. I'd never really understood the clamour about input latency before messing with frame gen/LS, but it makes a lot more sense when you're hands on + eyes on that disparity between look and feel (this is not me slamming LS, I love it)
Anyone tested this with Elden Ring? I still get mad stuttering to this day and im losing hope of From adding FSR3 frame gen with the dlc.
FG won't help in this case.
Stutter in, stutter out.
Tried it out with TOTK on Yuzu, with ultracam i was already getting 48-60 fps, now ti goes up to 90-120 fps. But enabling the LS is killing my VRR on my C1. It it not compatible with VRR?
Isn't there a VRR support option when you scroll down to the very bottom on the right side? Tried that?
Doesn't work sadly, you need to be able to basically lock it at 40 fps, 60 fps etc etc
That's unfortunate. Locking it at 60 will probably generate more artifacts.
2.9 is out now with x3 framegen! Tried it out on several games and am blown away. Okami at 90 FPS looks so good, there's even less ghosting in FFX/X-2; hell, even the infamous 15 FPS battles in Final Fantasy IV 3D look pretty decent at 45 now.
Getting a smooth 144 FPS from games manually capped to 48 is amazing. LSFG 2.1 now also doesn't draw any frames that go over the limit, so games capped at 60 are a lot smoother at 144 now too. This dev is an actual wizard
Getting a smooth 144 FPS from games manually capped to 48 is amazing. LSFG 2.1 now also doesn't draw any frames that go over the limit, so games capped at 60 are a lot smoother at 144 now too. This dev is an actual wizard
The update message on Discord also mentions that it doesn't increase latency, so that sounds like a really nice perk.
just tested 3X with my goto Metal Wolf Chaos DX, does indeed feel very smooth but still a bit of image breaking like micro screen tearing. Tested Okami also, too much artifacts when rotating the camera. Crazy how nVidia still haven't implement this into their driver like AMD AFMF.
Tried x3 with Let It Die (natively locked at 60fps) and its an absolute trear, and i really do not notice the added input latency
I tried out the new 3X update in Katamari Damacy Reroll, which is locked to 30 FPS, and it worked surprisingly well.
I played one of the final levels that are 20 minutes long, and even by the halfway point, toggling lossless scaling off started looking like a slideshow.
I've struggled with motion sickness a lot in this game, and it definitely helps.
At the same time, you have to not look too closely.
While it is a lot smoother, the interpolation artifacts are kind of obvious too.
The other thing that surprised me was how… okay 90 FPS was at 120Hz.
When dealing with games that can run natively at 90 FPS, but have a camera that updates at multiples of 60 (e.g. Dishonored 2/Deathloop) or have VRR disabled, I would generally say that capping to 60 FPS produces a smoother image than 90.
But here, interpolating to 90 seems preferable even though VRR is not active. 60 is noticeably less smooth.
It could also be that the starting point of 30 FPS is just so bad that 90 starts looking better regardless of whether there's some slight judder remaining.
It does seem important to use an external frame rate limiter to set your target frame rate, as games will not be properly smooth unless the frame-time chart is perfectly flat.
And only the DXGI capture method seemed to work properly at 3X.
Like DLSS/FSR3 frame gen, I would choose just about any alternative to get natively higher frame rates first.
If dropping to DLSS Ultra Performance will get me 90–120FPS natively, I'll take it over interpolation any day.
But if it's a game where the frame rate has a hard limit, or nothing I do can improve the frame rate further, it's a nice option to have.
I played one of the final levels that are 20 minutes long, and even by the halfway point, toggling lossless scaling off started looking like a slideshow.
I've struggled with motion sickness a lot in this game, and it definitely helps.
At the same time, you have to not look too closely.
While it is a lot smoother, the interpolation artifacts are kind of obvious too.
The other thing that surprised me was how… okay 90 FPS was at 120Hz.
When dealing with games that can run natively at 90 FPS, but have a camera that updates at multiples of 60 (e.g. Dishonored 2/Deathloop) or have VRR disabled, I would generally say that capping to 60 FPS produces a smoother image than 90.
But here, interpolating to 90 seems preferable even though VRR is not active. 60 is noticeably less smooth.
It could also be that the starting point of 30 FPS is just so bad that 90 starts looking better regardless of whether there's some slight judder remaining.
It does seem important to use an external frame rate limiter to set your target frame rate, as games will not be properly smooth unless the frame-time chart is perfectly flat.
And only the DXGI capture method seemed to work properly at 3X.
Like DLSS/FSR3 frame gen, I would choose just about any alternative to get natively higher frame rates first.
If dropping to DLSS Ultra Performance will get me 90–120FPS natively, I'll take it over interpolation any day.
But if it's a game where the frame rate has a hard limit, or nothing I do can improve the frame rate further, it's a nice option to have.