Lots of people seem really dissatisfied by the short term support non single player Nintendo games have had. What do you think they should do?

Oscarzx n · Mar 22, 2023

As a person who uses Twitter a lot, one think I see all the time is how dissatisfied and dissapointed people are that Nintendo doesn't support games like Mario Maker, Animal Crossing or Mario sports games for years like other live service games from other companies have done. Here are some tweets with a lot of reactions to show is not a few people speaking:
https://twitter.com/shanhorandraws/status/1637999361220296705?s=20

View: https://twitter.com/shanhorandraws/status/1637999361220296705?s=20

https://twitter.com/Mrhippo58957232/status/1638200323389964289?s=20

View: https://twitter.com/Mrhippo58957232/status/1638200323389964289?s=20

The answer most people think is "just support the games more, they can because they have the money", but for what we know that probably would mean getting less new games as a result since the devs would be busy, and we know Nintendo fans can also get really dissatisfied if they don't get lots of games from different series constantly, for example if people have been asking for a new Golden Sun, the chances of getting one could be even less if Camelot supports their sports games for years. Do you think they should expand their studios to have people to exclusively support games for years to come? Or this doesn't matter?

ScOULaris · Mar 22, 2023

GOOD. I'd much rather they move on to new game development than turn these into GAAS nightmares. Fuck that noise.

I hate this modern notion that online games need to just get updated with minor bullshit indefinitely. I'd always rather get a new sequel to an online game a few years later than have one game drag on for 7+ years.

foshy · Mar 22, 2023

ScOULaris said:
GOOD. I'd much rather they move on to new game development than turn these into GAAS nightmares. Fuck that noise.

agree

release a complete game and move on

Getting Away With It · Mar 22, 2023

ScOULaris said:
GOOD. I'd much rather they move on to new game development than turn these into GAAS nightmares. Fuck that noise.

I hate this modern notion that online games need to just get updated with minor bullshit indefinitely. I'd always rather get a new sequel to an online game a few years later than have one game drag on for 7+ years.

First post nails it. Very glad Nintendo doesn't go down the route of chasing constant engagement for single player games like others. Leave that shit to Ubisoft.

Strandr · Mar 22, 2023

So many armchair developers on twitter

I'm personally disappointed that we never got anything for Mario Odyssey, but I bet their internal attach rate graphs were just showing Animal Crossing players get less and less with each update. It makes sense that those who still play want new content, but I bet there's far less of them than they think...

I bet after the perfectly timed pandemic release of Animal Crossing each new game will be like an _event_ to all get back in together

BassForever · Mar 22, 2023

Mario Maker 2 and Animal Crossing both got a massive dump at the end of new content, that could have been spread out over 2-3 years if they wanted it. I think at the end of the day the Nintendo fans that complain will never be happy regardless of how much content a game has at launch or how much is added for free or paid post launch. I've seen the argument for the Mario sports games that "I'd rather all the content be available at launch since I'm done with the game by the time it came out", but if they has delayed the game and put all that content in day 1 people would then complain "why did Nintendo abandon x? They should have kept adding content".

Most games should not be Fortnite that constantly get content updates for years and years.

Neoxon · Mar 22, 2023

Like I said there, the problem is that Nintendo EPD Group 5 does both games. To be specific, 30-40% of their staff is shared between Animal Crossing & Splatoon. They couldn't really support New Horizons indefinitely without screwing over Splatoon 3.

MayorSquirtle · Mar 22, 2023

foshy said:
agree

release a complete game and move on

I mean, I wouldn't say New Horizons released complete by any means. It eventually got to a baseline acceptable level when compared to prior titles, but that it never went beyond that is pretty sad.

Neoxon · Mar 22, 2023

ScOULaris said:
GOOD. I'd much rather they move on to new game development than turn these into GAAS nightmares. Fuck that noise.

I hate this modern notion that online games need to just get updated with minor bullshit indefinitely. I'd always rather get a new sequel to an online game a few years later than have one game drag on for 7+ years.

Getting Away With It said:
First post nails it. Very glad Nintendo doesn't go down the route of chasing constant engagement for single player games like others. Leave that shit to Ubisoft.

foshy said:
agree

release a complete game and move on

oni-link said:
First post nails it

poklane said:
While I can fully understand that people would like more support for a game they love I'm fully behind not turning everything into a GaaS nightmare, and people in general should buy a game for what it is, not what it could be.

jay said:
Yes this.

It's more of a case-by-case thing. For example, Street Fighter V wouldn't have rebounded as much as it did if Capcom didn't support it for so long.

Hell, fighting games in general have flourished under the long-term support model, especially regarding DLC. Not just SFV, but Tekken 7 as well.

404LinkNotFound · Mar 22, 2023

Whenever i see animal crossing fans complain about content i just think about this tierlist lol

Greywaren · Mar 22, 2023

I'm fine with games just... being done, honestly. There are so many games to play, I don't need to play the same things for years.

giapel · Mar 22, 2023

No issues at all. 2 year cycle of updates plus paid DLC for the bigger games. Then move on to something else. If the core gameplay is fun, it stays fun without further updates.
What they're doing with Mario Kart 8 is almost miraculous and it's only really possible because of Tour.

oni-link · Mar 22, 2023

ScOULaris said:
GOOD. I'd much rather they move on to new game development than turn these into GAAS nightmares. Fuck that noise.

I hate this modern notion that online games need to just get updated with minor bullshit indefinitely. I'd always rather get a new sequel to an online game a few years later than have one game drag on for 7+ years.

First post nails it

Neoxon · Mar 22, 2023

giapel said:
No issues at all. 2 year cycle of updates plus paid DLC for the bigger games. Then move on to something else. If the core gameplay is fun, it stays fun without further updates.
What they're doing with Mario Kart 8 is almost miraculous and it's only really possible because of Tour.

As mentioned earlier, fighting games benefit from being supported longer. I kinda wish Smash got at least a third season of DLC.

poklane · Mar 22, 2023

While I can fully understand that people would like more support for a game they love I'm fully behind not turning everything into a GaaS nightmare, and people in general should buy a game for what it is, not what it could be.

lilty · Mar 22, 2023

My problem is that these games on Switch have had a reduced amount of content compared to previous entries in the same franchise and that continued to be true despite receiving post launch updates. Animal Crossing removed so much from New Leaf, and don't even get me started on the state of Mario sports titles. It's even more annoying when many of these games were better on 3DS for half the price.

Efejota · Mar 22, 2023

The problem is that they themselves are releasing games that feel incomplete on release. And they are aware of it, or else they wouldn't be doing all these free updates.

So when the stream of updates stops, it's like release date again where you point out exactly what you felt was left missing (for example, singleplayer missions/modes/goals/unlockables in sports games, villager interactions, shop upgrades multiplayer minigames or furniture collections in AC...) except you are way past the excitement of the release date and also aware that they don't plan to address any of that anymore. So you were dragged for a few months with that vague hope of what the game could become, only to be left with a middle point that ignored some of the core problems.

I won't say it's easy to do in the HD era, but if the games felt complete on release and didn't promise any big free updates, people wouldn't ask for more free updates after they end.

Having said all that, with Animal Crossing in particular I was happy to get new things to do a year after release.

fhqwhgads · Mar 22, 2023

404LinkNotFound said:
Whenever i see animal crossing fans complain about content i just think about this tierlist lol

>Splatoon fans
>Pleasant

Jokes aside, I'll admit I was disappointed that Mario Maker 2 didn't get at least one more update, but the last update brought in some real game changing content. The amount of stuff you can mess around with using the Link and SMB2 deals are incredibly fun.

Yuntu · Mar 22, 2023

Nintendo shouldnt change anything. Their approach clearly works.

sirap · Mar 22, 2023

It hurts that you didn't mention ARMS :(

Twister · Mar 22, 2023

ScOULaris said:
GOOD. I'd much rather they move on to new game development than turn these into GAAS nightmares. Fuck that noise.

I hate this modern notion that online games need to just get updated with minor bullshit indefinitely. I'd always rather get a new sequel to an online game a few years later than have one game drag on for 7+ years.

Yeah, except for the fact that most of the games Nintendo has released recently are missing substantial content on day 1 and even after the measly amount of support they give them, they don't live up to previous entries in their franchise due to a complete lack of content. They promise updates and then do the absolute bare minimum.
(ex. Animal Crossing: New Horizons, Mario Strikers: Battle League, Mario Golf Super Rush, Nintendo Switch Sports)

Bede-x · Mar 22, 2023

Great. I don't want DLC or event updates or free content. I want the games to end. If there's some bugs that need fixing, by all means do a patch, but aside from that I'd rather see the developers move on to the next project, so we get that sooner, instead of endless updates for the same game.

ThisThingIsUseful · Mar 22, 2023

ScOULaris said:
GOOD. I'd much rather they move on to new game development than turn these into GAAS nightmares. Fuck that noise.

I agree.

Some of the stuff that got added via "support" were things that I've found out were in earlier Animal Crossing games (New Horizons was my first one and was a lovely experience). I'd rather all that stuff be in the original game/cartridge and we simply discover it through playing.

Twister said:
Yeah, except for the fact that most of the games Nintendo has released recently are missing substantial content on day 1 and even after the measly amount of support they give them, they don't live up to previous entries in their franchise due to a complete lack of content. They promise updates and then do the absolute bare minimum.
(ex. Animal Crossing: New Horizons, Mario Strikers: Battle League, Mario Golf Super Rush, Nintendo Switch Sports)

This I feel is similar to my "complaint." I loved Animal Crossing: New Horizons, but if support just means gradually getting features you had in other games, then just give me a full game on disc/cartridge/download.

SFV's special editions are terrific, so just have that shit from the beginning. From my understanding, people were waiting for updates for Halo Infinite that would add features that were in older games like Halo 3.

jay · Mar 22, 2023

foshy said:
agree

release a complete game and move on

Yes this.

Patitoloco · Mar 22, 2023

Say with me:

Not all games must be supported forever.
It's okay for things to end.

Dolce · Mar 22, 2023

JaredG said:
I mean, I wouldn't say New Horizons released complete by any means. It eventually got to a baseline acceptable level when compared to prior titles, but that it never went beyond that is pretty sad.

Happy Home Paradise along with the little Harvy area and stuff made the game more than acceptable, it brought extremely interesting loops and filled out daily stuff. It now has a lot to do daily and interesting aspects the other games don't have, and HHP adds a ton of flavor.

Dyle · Mar 22, 2023

No amount of additional support would fix the problems with New Horizons

Dolce · Mar 22, 2023

ThisThingIsUseful said:
I agree.

Some of the stuff that got added via "support" were things that I've found out were in earlier Animal Crossing games (New Horizons was my first one and was a lovely experience). I'd rather all that stuff be in the original game/cartridge and we simply discover it through playing.

This I feel is similar to my "complaint." I loved Animal Crossing: New Horizons, but if support just means gradually getting features you had in other games, then just give me a full game on disc/cartridge/download.

SFV's special editions are terrific, so just have that shit from the beginning. From my understanding, people were waiting for updates for Halo Infinite that would add features that were in older games like Halo 3.

well, some of this is just modern gaming for you. it takes a lot more to make a game now. that and bringing forward every feature from older games is not reasonable.

content is not released in a vacuum either and lots of things added in SFV were in response to the response to the game itself.

Neoxon · Mar 22, 2023

ThisThingIsUseful said:
SFV's special editions are terrific, so just have that shit from the beginning. From my understanding, people were waiting for updates for Halo Infinite that would add features that were in older games like Halo 3.

That depends on what you mean by "that special edition shit". If you mean the DLC characters, that's not really how fighting game character creation works. You might have an argument regarding the modes since SFV was very clearly rushed out the door. But bringing forward every single mode isn't always feasible.

Honome · Mar 22, 2023

Dear Nintendo, please keep doing only single player games, you are our last hope against this rotten gaas industry.

Thanks.

Soap · Mar 22, 2023

Nintendo aren't as big as you'd think in terms of development resources and they use them on new games.

Fularu · Mar 22, 2023

Ressources are finite and out of control recruitment is never the answer

Not everything has to be a GaaS derivative

Nintenleo · Mar 22, 2023

I think only a tiny amount of players basically discovered everything about the game and now feel there's too little content.

I believe they made enough money with New Horizons. :)

Derbel McDillet · Mar 22, 2023

I was whatever about Animal Crossing.

I still feel ripped off when it comes to Super Mario Party. 4 tiny boards. "Oh surely they'll update this."
15 million copies sold. "Here's the online so y'all don't get mad at us for the next game having it." The next one? In which they practically did the same thing again, but at least I had learned my lesson.

Would you even call Mario Strikers Battle League supported?

Oh right, I forgot about Switch Sports.

The thread is primarily about single player games, but even the multiplayer ones have this problem.

Neoxon · Mar 22, 2023

Honome said:
Dear Nintendo, please keep doing only single player games, you are our last hope against this rotten gaas industry.

Thanks.

Splatoon is kinda a GaaS, (free) battle passes & all.

Horohorohoro · Mar 22, 2023

I think if they're going to always do the stupid "free update" shit with games then they should actually commit to adding more than what they're currently adding to the games post-release, or release finished games day 1.

This "GAAS" argument in this thread is really disingenuous though. Not the same thing.

Richietto · Mar 22, 2023

On one hand I think both Animal Crossing and Mario Maker 2 could have used 1 last nice chunk of content. On the other it's a okay for games to just be what they are and the devs move on.

Dolce · Mar 22, 2023

also regarding the actual topic, I hate the idea that every game needs to be supported in perpetuum.

Aprikurt · Mar 22, 2023

Dolce said:
also regarding the actual topic, I hate the idea that every game needs to be supported in perpetuum.

Literally. If you played the game for 200+ hours plus and have played all the content, maybe that's okay?

BasilZero · Mar 22, 2023

More sequels

Where's super Mario odyssey 2

Lightsong · Mar 22, 2023

Twister said:
Yeah, except for the fact that most of the games Nintendo has released recently are missing substantial content on day 1

Bit of a hyperbole. Some games, not most games. And basically only the MP ones.

Ravelle · Mar 22, 2023

Animal crossing needed to end so we can get a new better one next time.

Lightsong · Mar 22, 2023

Aprikurt said:
Literally. If you played the game for 200+ hours plus and have played all the content, maybe that's okay?

That too. Playing AC for like 200, 300+ hours and saying there is not a bunch of things to do after that seems ... fine to me?

Kazooie · Mar 22, 2023

They should do absolutely nothing about it. I prefer complete games on card over drip feeding content and selling additional download content later on.

Renna Hazel · Mar 22, 2023

I would rather just get new games as most here have stated. I rarely go back to single player games that have dlc added into the base game. Expansions are fine but why not just add that to the sequel?

Dolce · Mar 22, 2023

Ravelle said:
Animal crossing needed to end so we can get a new better one next time.

thankfully a lot of the hardest work is done. people forget how many assets were copy/pasted from the original GC game in the later Animal Crossing games. but character models and the now immense amount of furniture future proofs that base.

cheesekao · Mar 22, 2023

Honome said:
Dear Nintendo, please keep doing only single player games, you are our last hope against this rotten gaas industry.

Thanks.

Smash fans would like to have a word with you.

Bony Manifesto · Mar 22, 2023

It's interesting they're still constantly releasing and selling new content for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (which was already a rerelease), but have just left Animal Crossing alone. I guess they're in the experimentation phase.

AzerPhire · Mar 22, 2023

Ravelle said:
Animal crossing needed to end so we can get a new better one next time.

Its nice to dream. You will get another version in 4 years that has less features than the last one and with an even worse online system. Its the modern Nintendo way.

Dinjooh · Mar 22, 2023

Neoxon said:
Like I said there, the problem is that Nintendo EPD Group 5 does both games. To be specific, 30-40% of their staff is shared between Animal Crossing & Splatoon. They couldn't really support New Horizons indefinitely without screwing over Splatoon 3.

It's simple, we kill the Inklings

Lots of people seem really dissatisfied by the short term support non single player Nintendo games have had. What do you think they should do?

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