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Major terrorist attack reported at Moscow concert hall (Update: +130 Dead)
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How can you not be good at propaganda when your the one that controls the information?
Not sure why you're being attacked for this, as it's a fair question. But if you think it's bad to help others avoid terrorism, then maybe you should question your own morality. I'm not going to assume that about you, though.
And if you read that and come away with the question, "Is Russia still a partner of the US?" The answer is yes.
As someone else pointed out, in addition to potentially saving lives, it's also a strong flex on US Intelligence's part.
When a tragedy like this happens I don't know why anyone would go to Twitter. Pics and videos will be all over and there'll be plenty of conspiracy theorists all around.
But this is tragic, saw the story yesterday and just woke up and saw the update on deaths and that's just terrible. It's always sad when innocent people just go about living their lives and having fun for it just to end in violence.
But this is tragic, saw the story yesterday and just woke up and saw the update on deaths and that's just terrible. It's always sad when innocent people just go about living their lives and having fun for it just to end in violence.
The questions that swirl if the US doesn't reach out to Russia about this also aren't great.
1) Did American intelligence fail to learn about the plot?
2) Did America have intelligence that could have saved lives and refuse to share it?
3) What are the potential motivations for #2 - did the US want Russia to be the victim of a massive terrorist attack?
In addition to being the moral choice, it was just the safer bet all around to share. Now add in all the reasons it's also important for it to be made clear that Putin was warned about an attack planned by ISIS, specifically.
Yep, it was very much the right thing to do to warn Russia, and now Russia looks foolish for not taking the warning seriously. Looks like Putin is using it as an excuse to further attack Ukraine anyway, so it's possible he didn't heed the warnings for a reason.
Predictable outcome from Putler to blame somehow Ukraine for it and I highly doubt that they arrested the perpetrator.
Nah man, they're clearly the right people, and nobody will ever think otherwise. Darn "insert whoever is most convenient for Putin here"...
On an unrelated note, do you know the joke about the CIA, FBI and KGB going into the woods to find a rabbit?
IS is trying their best to not let Russia move the blame from them:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...-attackers-behind-russia-shooting-2024-03-23/
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...-attackers-behind-russia-shooting-2024-03-23/
Sweet fucking Christmas... isis claimed responsibility you absolute knob! Also, your citi have access to the internet! Like this absolute comedy of the highest degree...a world leader is so obsessed with his dumb war that he is doing pr for the people that are bragging about doing the crime in question.
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But seriously; how fucking vile is this; and his state ran media will eat this up…truly shameful and disgusting…
I obviously wont post the video of it, but Russian forces cut one of the suspects' ears off and then tried to make him eat it.
EU =/= Europe. Most of russian population lives in part of Russia that is generally considered as part of Europe (west of ural mountains).At the risk of fighting strangers online, yeah i know the map,
I'm Half surprise Putin didn't suggest that Zelinski committing the attack personally with Boris Johnson.
are you being purposely obtuse or something else? denying that Russia is historically a European country is something else.At the risk of fighting strangers online, yeah i know the map,
I will say Russia is definitely European, but Geographically speaking the fact that an assload of its Territory is more around China the idea of them not being considered European is a slightly understandable. Though you still have to ignore culture, trade, and a bunch of other stuff.
Though a population map really puts that to bed.
Everybody crammed into the side closet to the rest of Europe.
This feels like a side show debate that was solved when I learned geography in elementary school. Part of Russia is in Europe, part in Asia. Like…this is basic knowledge.
Moscow attack: Did Russia ignore US 'extremist' attacks warning?
The attack on a concert hall in Moscow raises difficult questions for Putin at a time of global mistrust.
www.bbc.com
US intel to Moscow: "Hey...uh, ISIS is very likely going to commit a massive act of terror on a concert of some sort in the coming days."
Putin: "BULLSHIT THE WEST IS JUST TRYING TO DISTRACT AND DESTABILIZE US"
This is what happens with fascist leaders - they're so inherently paranoid and mistrustful of everyone that they ignore legitimate intelligence like this. The Russian people deserve so much better than this fucking lunatic.
So there is a pretty violent video going around, where one of the suspects is getting detained and a man in a camouflage cuts off part of the suspect's ear and tries to put it into the suspect's mouth / tries to force the suspect to eat it.
I wouldn't dare to call terrorists "human", but people doing things like this don't exactly fall under my definition of "human" either. Just horrible.
I wouldn't dare to call terrorists "human", but people doing things like this don't exactly fall under my definition of "human" either. Just horrible.
That's a map of the EU and EFTA members and candidate countries, not a map of europe as a whole.At the risk of fighting strangers online, yeah i know the map,
The western part of Russia to the Ural mountains is in europe, 75% of Russia's population lives in that part, 11 of its 15 biggest cities are in europe, the russian culture as we know it originated there. While a bunch of their territory is in asia Russia it is still mostly a european country. Most Russians consider themselves to be european and there isn't even a debate about Moscow which is 100% a european city.
Europe is not a super definite concept, unlike Eurasia for example, and there is no absolute definition that everyone will agree on as a result. I wouldn't necessarily say it's a given that (western) Russians always identify as European either, considering Europe is often framed in an us vs. them relationship in political discourse. That said, I think culturally speaking the western half is very much European.
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Man, this thread really exposes the bias and basic programming that a lot of western people have about geopolitics.
Russia Bad, USA Good. Just simple minded binary thinking in regards to basic moral affiliation
Immediately speculating false flag attacks, warmongering the Ukrainian situation, questioning why Russia would deserve advance notice of an attack.
Equating Russian citizens with the sins of the government, but would also have the fucking nerve to pitch a fit if that was done to the US in the same way
Just low programmed behavior
RIP to the Russians who lost their lives in this horrible event
Russia Bad, USA Good. Just simple minded binary thinking in regards to basic moral affiliation
Immediately speculating false flag attacks, warmongering the Ukrainian situation, questioning why Russia would deserve advance notice of an attack.
Equating Russian citizens with the sins of the government, but would also have the fucking nerve to pitch a fit if that was done to the US in the same way
Just low programmed behavior
RIP to the Russians who lost their lives in this horrible event
And there's a real chance this suspect is just some dude they grabbed off the street.
Questioning advance notice is weird, since there's nothing to be gained from withholding information in this case, and something to be gained from showing the population that their government could be doing more.
The rest, questioning false attacks, Ukraine, it's just knowing some history. It's like, if a US ship blew up in a place that the US government wished to intervene in, people would have questions of the "again?" kind...
Putin is already using this to warmonger against Ukraine. The invasion of Ukraine gives anyone who is reasonable plenty of reason to think Russia is bad. That doesn't mean that regular civilians going to a concert deserve this.
It's a shame civilians were killed and also a shame they have a government more interested in commiting genocide in Ukraine than heeding warnings.
I understand established history, especially one as tumultuous as Russia's, however this was a fresh mass shooting event. As we all unfortunately know, that is one of the few times where speculations have no purpose. The events are far to fresh to be trying to point blame at the time, it was a lot easier to let details form in and then start to put pieces together from there
Right from jump there were false flag accusations, ideas that Russian State would blame Ukrainians etc. Now we hear that ISIS is involved and I'm sure things will develop even more from there
It's the people who threw out such claims are never going to come back and say "I was too hasty in judgement here"
Uhm, isn't the Russian state quite literally doing this right now while being totally quiet about ISIS?
The Russian State is doing it's best to nudge nudge wink wink "It's Ukraine's fault" the problem.
As predictable.
I agree that some of the speculation was counterproductive and misguided. Some of it, however, is already playing out. See post 255, for example.
But they've already started to blame the Ukrainians, DigitalOp.
View: https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1771527050328699201
View: https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1771516747125829917
View: https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1771508017525076313
That's how Russia works.
I don't think that it is a hasty judgment to presume that Putin would tune the narrative to somehow blaming Ukraine, regardless of who is blamed or takes credit for it. Which is precisely what's happening. It doesn't have to be a false flag or even an intentional failure by Russian intel to know that Putin will use any crisis to further his goals.
See, but what pisses me off is that someone can take this EXACT stance about Israel and their current actions in Palestine, and a majority of the western world would defame them for having such a stance
Meanwhile, that same Western society will turn around and use this EXACT logic to speak on Russia, just a terrible terrible world understanding in 2024. It's team sport rather than being anti harm across the globe
As long as the "right people" are the ones succumbing to violence. Just a sad state of geo politics right now