Everyone involved with the swatting will probably get the book thrown at them, but sadly the police officer will get off with paid vacation. Fuck these swatters, and FUCK THE POLICE.
I just dont think you can put the onus on the "culture". Im sure a small group of people find it amusing. At the same time, this wasnt even being streamed, it was sent to a random guys house. It just needs to be dealt with appropriately from a punishment standpoint. They need to send a message that fake calls have serious consequencesIf you prefer, I can say "streamer culture," that's closer to what I meant. And yes, I would say streaming is a big contributor to the rise of swatting. Obviously only a small proportion of streamers do this kind of shit, but it's popular enough in some circles that you can say parts of streamer culture do in fact encourage it.
We dont know the full details. But even so he died because of one person. Not the entire force. I work in medicine and errors happen. If a doctor does something stupid you dont say the entire medical system is at fault. Granted there are supposed to be checks in place to prevent dumb things happening, but thtt doesnt always work.People who think the swatter is as much to blame for this as the police need a reality check. Obviously swatting is a truly awful, pointless crime, but this guy died because of the insane, paranoid, militarised US police force, not because some dickhead on the internet made a false report.
You don't think the guy who treated the insane, paranoid, militarized US police force as his personal army because he lost a video game is responsible for his actions? He created the situation.
We dont know the full details. But even so he died because of one person. Not the entire force.
People who think the swatter is as much to blame for this as the police need a reality check. Obviously swatting is a truly awful, pointless crime, but this guy died because of the insane, paranoid, militarised US police force, not because some dickhead on the internet made a false report.
Still doesnt change the fact that it was one guys fuck up. Can you really say you know the attitudes, training, culture, beliefs of this unit? Because lumping everything into one category and generalizing doesnt usually give an accurate story.No, obviously not. The police get false claims and false alarms all the time, and have (or should have) detailed protocols on how to tell whether a situation is genuine or not. Hostage situations in particular are particularly sensitive. Officers are meant to be trained to the Nth degree in order to deal with them, and there should be negotiators on site. What about if this guy really had been taking hostages? Seeing as the police knew literally nothing about the situation besides one unverified report, the (obviously unarmed, unsuspecting) guy they killed may have been one of the hostages himself as far as they knew, there may have been other hostage takers in the house and their actions could have resulted in hostages being killed etc.
The police murdered an innocent guy based on one unverified report. They want to deflect this all onto the swatter (who should obviously still be prosecuted). Don't let the police literally get away with murder.
Oh yeah, it's not like the police killing innocent people is a regular occurrence and a systematic problem or anything like that.
yeah "send the swatter to death row" has been said, but this wouldn't have happened in say, the UK. this police officer discharged his firearm upon suspicion based purely from one random phone caller. you can try and blame "immature gamers" but if I'm pissed off at my neighbor because his tree is overhanging my fence, should i be able to suspect that if I make a false report to 911, he could be killed? they're supposed to be peacekeepers, not freelance assassins.
if bodycam footage of this horrific incident comes out and the victim had his hands raised, and the officer isn't charged with his death... that footage accomplished nothing but to instill fear in american citizens that they or their loved ones can be killed at any moment by the people supposedly protecting them. it's the "terrorist beheading propaganda video" of the police. it says "look what we can do".
Actually i dont youre right, but neither do you. As i said we dont really inow the details. As for the second part, its obvious there was a fuck up somewhere because an innocent man is dead. Did the officer act on his own? Maybe? Maybe he didnt follow orders. Maybe he didnt follows procedures (obviously). Again ill use medical as its what i know, most errors occur when you break from protocol, not because the protocol is badBrilliant post, I agree 100%. Really do wish that the police were just peacekeepers and not instruments of oppression.
I'm sorry, how do you know this? The police, especially those who respond to hostage situations, are not random lone wolves, they're tight units taking detailed orders about every single thing they do.
Swatting is calling in an anonymous tip to get a police armed response team (SWAT) to pay a visit to someone under false pretenses. Obviously very illegal.I'm from the UK and never heard of the term swatting and couldn't find one which makes sense in the context of this thread.
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You just know this poor guy was terrified as they likely yelled expletives from behind the door and made clearly defined threats as is the usual procedure in these scenarios, then before even getting the opportunity to ask for clarity on why this was happening, he winds up being riddled with bullets.... when a 28 year old man answered the door, the officer in attendance discharged his weapon. The man was taken to hospital but later pronounced dead.
I'm from the UK and never heard of the term swatting and couldn't find one which makes sense in the context of this thread.
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Reporting a false crime that requires a SWAT team response. Active shooter, hostage, etc. Cops in military gear show up.I'm from the UK and never heard of the term swatting and couldn't find one which makes sense in the context of this thread.
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We dont know the full details. But even so he died because of one person. Not the entire force. I work in medicine and errors happen. If a doctor does something stupid you dont say the entire medical system is at fault. Granted there are supposed to be checks in place to prevent dumb things happening, but thtt doesnt always work.
We dont know the full details. But even so he died because of one person. Not the entire force. I work in medicine and errors happen. If a doctor does something stupid you dont say the entire medical system is at fault. Granted there are supposed to be checks in place to prevent dumb things happening, but thtt doesnt always work.
You're right, we shouldnt have anyone trained to deal with hostage situations. Fuck em lolTurning the police force into a paramilitary unit *is* a systemic fault. This keeps happening
You can extrapolate all you like, that doesnt always mean you get the correct answer. Im not saying uou guys are wrong, i just think youre drawing premature conclusions on something thats probably more nuanced tuan you thinkif only we had other examples of police brutality to extrapolate systemic claims
Actually i dont youre right, but neither do you. As i said we dont really inow the details. As for the second part, its obvious there was a fuck up somewhere because an innocent man is dead. Did the officer act on his own? Maybe? Maybe he didnt follow orders. Maybe he didnt follows procedures (obviously). Again ill use medical as its what i know, most errors occur when you break from protocol, not because the protocol is bad
You can extrapolate all you like, that doesnt always mean you get the correct answer
Of course the swat team is trigger happy, they are meant to deal with things like armed hostage situations and suicide bombers. Though I have real problem with police brutality in these instances, I can't fault the swat team for being jumpy because they are trained to be jumpy. They are not supposed to be called in to raid normal civilians. Thats why this should be a huge fucking deal. As far as I'm concerned, the person who called in the swat team pulled the trigger.
Are people really defending the police?
What was this guy's crime, answering the door?
M8, if it was the first time american police did something like this, go ahead defend them, but its an incident everyday and the only reason we know about them is social media and such, I can't imagine how many incidents happened before poor people had a voice. I hope, the officer, the swatter and the two idiots all root in jail for thoses $2 dollars.
But who am I kidding, maybe the three latter idiots will, but the office? the office will get a 4 week paid vacation with the american citiziens' taxes and then comeback to shoot more innocent people either there or start a new job in another city/town as a police officer.
Im saying sometimes people do stupid shit. Maybe the unit this guy is on is full of good people doing good things. You dont know. I dont know. Its not right to throw people under the bus like that by lumping everyone into one group without really knowing the dynamics. Shouldnt have to explain that lol.
He shot him from outside through a screen door from what i readWould be a pretty large break of protocol for a single officer to enter a building and kill a man without actually assessing whether the hostage situation was genuine, and without any sort of permission from those in charge of the situation.
Maybe the unit this guy is on is full of good people doing good things.
He shot him from outside through a screen door from what i read
Im saying sometimes people do stupid shit. Maybe the unit this guy is on is full of good people doing good things. You dont know. I dont know. Its not right to throw people under the bus like that by lumping everyone into one group without really knowing the dynamics. Shouldnt have to explain that lol.
I dont subscribe to the belief all cops are bad so im not with you there. I dont like the fuck the police mentality, because it potentially sways good people frol pursuing it, and as someone who lives in detroit, i feel we need our cops. Ive met a lot of good guys who do good things. But yeah i agree its crazyWell, they're cops, so probably not.
That makes the whole thing even more insane. Jfc.
It's because American special police forces are called SWAT. So if someone calls them falsely to raid someone innocent in order to get them killed or injured, it's called "swatting" the term originates from YouTube or twitch streams and has been in use for many years now. Basically this whole thing started in the ps360 gen when people started playing online (shooters) en mass.I'm from the UK and never heard of the term swatting and couldn't find one which makes sense in the context of this thread.
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I'm sure they didn't knock. They were probably setting up outside, tense because they're about to blow open the door and move in on a dangerous situation, when the door opens (no doubt the owner heard some commotion outside and wanted to see what was going on). Should the cop have waited to see? It's hard to say without being there to see what it looked like.
Truly very sad. The kid who called this needs to get manslaughter just to show everyone else that this isn't acceptable.
You should not be sending in a fucking SWAT team over an unverified phone call.
Of course the swat team is trigger happy, they are meant to deal with things like armed hostage situations and suicide bombers. Though I have real problem with police brutality in these instances, I can't fault the swat team for being jumpy because they are trained to be jumpy. They are not supposed to be called in to raid normal civilians. Thats why this should be a huge fucking deal. As far as I'm concerned, the person who called in the swat team pulled the trigger.
This is the most disgusting thing I've heard in a long time. Can you imagine being a relative/friend/SO to the victim, and then learning that the reason he's dead is because a couple of dumbfuck kids got mad over a $2 video game bet and accidentally called a trigger-happy officer to the victim's home, under the pretense that there was a hostage situation?
Makes me want to throw up.