The much repeated "Valve doesn't make games" shtick is obviously not literally true, and the quality/artistic value only they can produce is still all over games like Dota 2 and Artfiact, but let's be real, if Naughty Dog's next game was a multiplayer only game, and then they didn't release anything for over six years (aside from a VR tech demo), only for their next release to be a card game based on said online multiplayer only game, you'd all be justifiably annoyed.
"Valve doesn't make games" is hyperbole, but when you go from releasing 8 excellent, high profile multi-platform titles in 6 years (2006-2012) from four different IP, to releasing 1-2 major releases that are PC only in the
following 6 year span (2012-2018), and they're both the same IP, that's pretty disappointing no matter how you slice it and no one is the wrong for expressing as such.
Some of these posts, especially on the first page, are fucking delusional. Dota's bigger than all those games combined. Get over yourselves. There's plenty of other single-player and co-op fps for you to put a casual 8-10 hours into. There's only one Dota. For fuck's sake we don't need this exact thread every two weeks.
"Everyone I'm contending with is fucking delusional, also all story driven co-op/single player games are casual and interchangeable."