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Martin Scorsese clarifies his Marvel movies comments: ‘There is only one Spielberg, Lucas
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When Marvel sends its directors, they're not sending their best. They're sending directors that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with them. They're bringing low stakes. They're bringing poorly filmed CG finales. They're hacks. And some, I asume, are good people.
He is like a discount Spielberg to me, and that's even kind of a compliment.
I mean, the movies are far better than they had any right to be. I mean, you have Justice League/Batman Vs Superman and then you have Winter Soldier and Infinity War. The difference in quality is striking and the marvel movies often deal with mature themes, even when they didn't have to. The movies could have been made with far less effort and cashed in.
I mean, these movies are based on comic books. Despite that, theres some good themes in most of the movies
1.Over reach and democracy in Winter Soldier/ Civil War
2. Overwhelming odds, grief and acceptance in Infinity War/ Endgame
3.Family /the effect of deception and lies in Black Panter
4. Identity/greater good in Spiderman homecoming
5. Identity/family Thor Ragnork
And theres more. People will grow up with these movies and learn from them, especially the younger generation. They created something marvelous despite all odds being against them. Its sad some people can't acknowledge that. I haven't even read a single comic book and yet, I can acknowledge the feat they were able to achieve. They could have easily just cashed it in but it wasn't that.
I mean, these movies are based on comic books. Despite that, theres some good themes in most of the movies
1.Over reach and democracy in Winter Soldier/ Civil War
2. Overwhelming odds, grief and acceptance in Infinity War/ Endgame
3.Family /the effect of deception and lies in Black Panter
4. Identity/greater good in Spiderman homecoming
5. Identity/family Thor Ragnork
And theres more. People will grow up with these movies and learn from them, especially the younger generation. They created something marvelous despite all odds being against them. Its sad some people can't acknowledge that. I haven't even read a single comic book and yet, I can acknowledge the feat they were able to achieve. They could have easily just cashed it in but it wasn't that.
great point tbh.
I get opinions and all, but the second was meh?! I'm outta here and I'm taking my cannoli with me! I'm kidding, but still, godfather 2 is an absolute classic imo. Wonderful film. Three was a big departure and it's hard for me to get through that one.
I mean you asked.
I'm insulted he called the best of the franchise hot garbage, Sofia is mad underrated as an actor.
He's not wrong that their overall effect is basically that of a rollercoaster rather than a meaningful human narrative (although that does come into it in many places, it's just not the heart)
But really there's nothing wrong with that. Plenty of movies like the ones he wants are still being made. Loads every year.
But really there's nothing wrong with that. Plenty of movies like the ones he wants are still being made. Loads every year.
The gatekeeping comments are especially ridiculous. Some people won't be content until Disney literally hoards all forms of media.
"There is only one Spielberg, there is only one Lucas, James Cameron, it's a different thing now. "
lol fuck your good ol boys club, Scorsese. he would be saying this regardless of the films in question, regardless of the talent behind the movies. oldguard hollywood elitism.
lol fuck your good ol boys club, Scorsese. he would be saying this regardless of the films in question, regardless of the talent behind the movies. oldguard hollywood elitism.
The gatekeeping comments are especially ridiculous. Some people won't be content until Disney literally hoards all forms of media.
I've signed my organs over to them so they can use my body parts to fund their art.
I can understand Martin opinion, but this is old man yelling at sky. If he really wanted to encourage diversity in cinema and allow new directors and creators a step in, he should be campaigning for conditions that allow for new directors and creators to enter the industry. People forget that Martin and Spielberg got their leg up in the industry, through being some of the best time to be a director.
I don't think that's true.
The problem isn't the directors.
The problem is that this is the vision of some exec @ Disney and not the vision of a director.
The best movies are the ones where a director is allowed to make his or her movie exactly the way they want it. With a corporation running things and making movies for the widest market possible they are not making bad movies, but they are not absolute masterpieces either.
You won't get the next Kubrick from a Disney movie. It will have to be from a studio that allows someone to express their entire vision. Which doesn't really happen anymore.
I remember my parents taking me to Eyes Wide Shut when I was 13 because it was the new Kubrick movie. I didnt even really want to see it at the time, nor really even gave a shit about Kubrick at that point either. Shit has definitely changed.
For the record there are questions of that veracity
The problem is that these theaters probably wouldn't be around at all anymore without "themepark movies" like the Marvel films.
The gatekeeping comments are especially ridiculous. Some people won't be content until Disney literally hoards all forms of media.
When disney criticism is "MCU are crap cinema, people should watch X pretentious shit from Y director to learn about the medium, fucking casuals", i think that side ends up looking far worse.
Same old shit when people bash pop music, or any popular-mass market entertainment media. It's pathetic as fuck.
I hope it's a local organic brand and not Folgers which is invading the coffee market with its massed produced poison
People should do both. There's nothing wrong with watching blockbusters, but existing solely on a diet of cinematic fast food isn't going to do much for you.
He's good at saying words that don't mean anything. Pretty ridiculous to name directors whose movies have a bunch of actual theme parks/rides to refute the "theme park movie franchise".
Because, somehow, everyone should be interested in 3 and a half hours of contemplative, #deep shit about whatever topic scorsese wants us to think about.
This is just petty jealousy, and it's a disrespect to all the artists, from photography, to concept art, to the actors to the costume makers and cgi/vfx specialists that work on this "themepark" movies. Yeah, they are artists just like the old fuckers that complain about marvel's success.
This is just petty jealousy, and it's a disrespect to all the artists, from photography, to concept art, to the actors to the costume makers and cgi/vfx specialists that work on this "themepark" movies. Yeah, they are artists just like the old fuckers that complain about marvel's success.
Its Nespresso, which sadly is made from the bark of trees from the Amazon and the dreams of orphan children.
But on the there hand, it is delicious!
Even if the Tarantino situation is a misunderstanding it's happening every day to small theaters.
https://qz.com/1479408/small-theate...-all-that-stands-between-them-and-extinction/
Why? Who are you (or this directors) to dictate what people should consume or enjoy?
Came here to post this. He's just another man yelling at the sun.
I'm totally fine with his take but propping up someone like Lucas as if those movies are intrinsically different than MCU stuff is just... weird.
Very true.
I love the OG Star Wars, but this is literally just the continuation and expansion of what Lucas kind of created.
I love Scorsese but has anyone mentioned how the dude might just be a bit salty right now:
Schindler's List was never pegged to do much of any business, which is why it took so long to come to the screen and was pretty much contingent on Spielberg making Jurassic Park first and still had a fairly small budget to play around with. That said, I can't imagine anyone thinking that a nearly 3.5 hour movie about one of the most harrowing experiences in human history, shot in black and white no less, would wind up grossing over $300 million. That's a legit blockbuster success.
Reminds me of why Tommy Lee Jones couldn't stand Jim Carrey on the set of Batman Forever (I cannot sanction your buffoonery) He was upset because his passion project-the movie Cobb-was released the same day as Dumb and Dumber.
Wasn't saying it was unsuccessful
Merely that non prestige have always been more profitable for decades now.
Going to the theater is expensive and people all have gorgeous TV's at home now. Entertaining spectacle like the marvel movies is what is worth going to the theater to see for the masses. More complicated films can still do well, see Hustlers and Joker right now, but Netflix is the right place for most arty or morally complicated films at this point.
He's right and anyone trying to make the kind of films Scorsese is known for would agree.
I've got tremendous respect for writers & directors who succeed in making original IP these days, especially films with no franchise potential.
I've got tremendous respect for writers & directors who succeed in making original IP these days, especially films with no franchise potential.
That's his entire point. Disney et al are only funding big "amusement parks" in the theaters.
salty that he got 200 million to make the critically acclaimed film that's exactly what he wanted, that will do very well in limited release, in streaming and during awards season?
if anything, it's those who passed up on it taking the L.
Nah. Nolan is a contemporary director and has been cited by Scorsese as an example of big budget cinema he seems to find some artistic relevance.
'Theme park films'...
It's a Netflix movie, with digitized actors.. not cinema.
It's a Netflix movie, with digitized actors.. not cinema.
Yeah it is, you could argue that Lucas is the forbearer of this sort of film, similar criticisms aimed at Disney have also been aimed at Lucas.
However in terms of how Lucas approached the many different elements of film there is a significant difference and does a much better job at creating believable worlds where characters feel unique and different to each other and that places ooze character. Im not a Star Wars fan in the slightest either but what the original three did in comparison to the newer movies is a stark contrast which engaged the imaginations of generations, not just for the big moments but also the down times, the places, the technology, it's quirky stylings but these elements are lacking in the new films unless imitation. These kind of problems also apply to MCU especially considering the resources and how much back development the characters and worlds have that are easily accessible and not required to be created from scratch.
The only thing I don't understand about his comment is there is only one "Spielberg, Lucas, and Cameron." Is he saying they make big, tentpole films but there are only a few of them and thus release films far and apart from each other whereas Marvel churns them out every single month and thus crowds the market?
Yep.
Lucas changed cinema, forever. Hell, he changed the entire pop culture of the world. He can never make another film or even good film for the rest of his life and his legacy will be secure.
Yep.
Lucas changed cinema, forever. Hell, he changed the entire pop culture of the world. He can never make another film or even good film for the rest of his life and his legacy will be secure.