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Marvel Cinematic Universe | We had a good run, and now it's over
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Wait for a trade (THR, Variety, Deadline) to report on it since they'll have the name of the series.
If it ain't Spider-man I ain't giving a shit, figure that out and then I'll start listening again.
If both sides were to agree with the new terms as-is. essentially Sony would essentially turn into a permanent investor on any Spidey-related films. Marvel Studio would handle all creative aspects so as long as the quality keeps as it's current pace, Sony would basically make money off the property for doing nothing except handling the marketing if they desire to (based on their recent film marketing they seem to be very dated in this area). The numbers might be off but it doesn't seem like a bad deal for Sony.
Seems like there will still a problem of how many Spider-man movies Marvel can make. Ideally, Sony would want at least 1 Spider-man movie per year or even more if possible. Marvel had their hands full with 3 movies a year and a bunch of Disney + shows.
Are you seriously buying Sony's bullshit damage control statement that Kevin Feige didn't have enough time for Marvel's most popular character?
I trust that Fiege and Co will find time to make Spider-man films, it's only one of the most popular IP's in the world.
I'm still pretty certain that Disney and Sony will make a new deal and I think everyone is prematurely losing their shit over this. Also, the hate all being sent Sony's way when Disney is just as (if not more) at fault is embarrassing.
It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to see that Sony's claim is full of shit, just common sense. "Feige doesn't have time for Spider-man" is 100% bullshit, let's not pretend otherwise.
To be fair, Deadline who broke the story even contested that in their update to the article yesterday that their sources have continued to say it has nothing to do with Kevin not having the time.
EVERYONE was calling the statement bullshit last night because the claim the the didn't have time for their most popular character is not in the realm of reality.
Yeah, I definitely agree and because of that I see the Etcetera thread as an embarrassing car wreck. Aside from the folks who are freaking out, there are folks sitting around posting just to prod at people for fun.
Era/Twitter/Discord is all an embarrassment now. A bunch of grown ass adults acting like children
the ol' web shooter not working like it used to
edit: it's even more hilarious that it's from Durex India
You're 100% right, but you were doing the same thing for a second, man:
Like, I get it, you deleted it, but you can't just pretend it didn't happen. You need examine what brought you to that post and see how it could lead other people to reach the conclusions that you're complaining about.
It makes sense that people that are so invested in one thing or another can get worked up one way or the other over something like this. We all have our blindspots, especially emotional and tribalistic ones; we should approach the ones of others with empathy. Best we can do is educate and try and keep a level head.
Console warrior mentality is stupid, same with film warrior mentality.
Corporations aren't your friends.
I find the idea that Kevin Feige doesn't have time for the biggest Marvel property ludicrous.
This is probably Loki. WandaVision may end up being 6 episodes too, but given that production has already started and it's going to start filming in a few weeks, I imagine Marvel has already lined up the director(s) for that series and just not made an announcement yet. I don't think they would be hiring a director for a 6-episode miniseries just now if it were for something shooting in a month.
Feige is busy....for Sony's schedule. Sony wanted a new Spider movie every 2 years, according to rumors. Marvel Studios is not gonna allow their schedule to be dictated by someone else. I always found the idea that Marvel Studios would just bend over and give in to Sony's requirement of a new movie every 2 years ludicrous. Panther 2 is having a 4 year gap. Marvel 2 probably the same.
MS probably would like SM 3 in 2023 where Sony would like to have SM4 at that time.
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Yeah. Feige is a busy dude and he's not going to bend over backwards for a studio he doesn't even work for.
But you then add Venom to that roster and now you can Do a Venom or Spider-man film every 1.5 years or if they can find a way to make another yearly film out of a Spider-man property (*cough* live-action Miles Morales series *cough*) you could do a rotation of those 3 every year.
The bummer in all of this is if Sony decides to reboot Spider-man again, we'd probably get a live-action Miles Morales led film finally but not at all like I had wanted or he deserves.
Regardless who's at fault, I don't think Sony not wanting to work with Disney is going to be worth all the goodwill they've lost because of this. At the very least Spider-Man 3 will end up having a lower box office and will now end up having to compete with and be massively overshadowed by the MCU which is what happened with ASM2. Also keep in mind that Holland and Watts and everyone else working on these films were hired specifically to work on films for Marvel Studios, so it looks like they've been burned as well. This could potentially mean another reboot and no one is going to turn out for the third reboot in less than a decade without the crutch of a major franchise like the MCU to get butts into theaters. You can only reboot a series so many times before audiences are burned out.
I'm not going to fault Sony specifically on this but they're being short sighted if they think they have it all under control. Sony only has Spider-Man, his rogues gallery, and a few allies to carry solo films presumeably with the expectation that they need to do about as well as Venom or MCU to keep the series relevant and exciting. And really, do you think this huge number of people is going to turn out for a Morbius or Kraven movie? At least Venom was a really popular character before his movie, no one knows who these guys are. You make them villains in a Spider-Man movie. At the end of the day, Sony's got the most to lose from this deal. The MCU worked without Spider-Man before, nor is he critical element of it. Sony on the other hand has fucked up this series so many times with 3, the Garfield movies, and even not giving Spider-verse a bigger push because the execs didn't understand what they had. They simply don't have the track record to make anyone confident they can do this alone. And since Sony and Disney are about as big relatively speaking, who even cares which large corporation has the character at this point, it's all about who can make the better movie. And let's face it, the vast majority of people are saying it's Disney.
I'm not going to fault Sony specifically on this but they're being short sighted if they think they have it all under control. Sony only has Spider-Man, his rogues gallery, and a few allies to carry solo films presumeably with the expectation that they need to do about as well as Venom or MCU to keep the series relevant and exciting. And really, do you think this huge number of people is going to turn out for a Morbius or Kraven movie? At least Venom was a really popular character before his movie, no one knows who these guys are. You make them villains in a Spider-Man movie. At the end of the day, Sony's got the most to lose from this deal. The MCU worked without Spider-Man before, nor is he critical element of it. Sony on the other hand has fucked up this series so many times with 3, the Garfield movies, and even not giving Spider-verse a bigger push because the execs didn't understand what they had. They simply don't have the track record to make anyone confident they can do this alone. And since Sony and Disney are about as big relatively speaking, who even cares which large corporation has the character at this point, it's all about who can make the better movie. And let's face it, the vast majority of people are saying it's Disney.
People point to Spider-Verse as proof that Sony can still do good Spider-Man stories and why Spidey going back to Sony might not be terrible, but I'm going to be real Sony needs to do a little more to prove that Spider-Verse wasn't just a fluke. So yeah, I'm not convinced they'd give live action Miles the justice he deserves
The problem in your scenario is that Sony is controlling the schedule and affecting Marvel Studios' plans. Do you think Marvel would have preferred to not have any movies announced until after Endgame was out? Do you think they would have preferred a breather after endgame and having their next movie maybe in November or something?
Marvel may want to have Blade, Magneto, Nova, and Dr. Doom movie in year X, but then they would have to move that to accommodate for Sony. Marvel Studios is the bigger entity and what they are doing is working. They shouldn't change their plans. I can see why they wanted half of everything, including the spin offs.
In my scenario, Sony is nothing more than a glorified investor who's only role in the process would be to partly finance the production and be entitled to whatever percentage of the gross of the films. If someone told me I could invest $100M every year and get back $400M nearly guaranteed, i'd do that in a heartbeat. That's pretty much what this deal could amount to for Sony and given their recent franchise film flops such as Men In Black: International and Ghostbuster 2016, i'd take that guaranteed money while I could.
It's only a matter of time before Sony fucks up the franchise again. If Holland doesn't bail they might have just enough wind in their sails to drop a decent 3rd film but everything after that is going to be the usual Sony garbage.
So that 50% narrative is bullshit:
Sony thinks they don't need Disney anymore:
The stuff about a counter offer by Sony might be BS too:
Knew it, the moment Venom made money, it was already a sign something was gonna turn south. This reeks of Rothman.
Considering Spider-Man is one of the only big money makers for Sony Pictures at this point I wouldn't be shocked if they thought a 30% stake would be too much. Hope some of the public statements being made weren't false. In general I hope both sides grow up and get this done.
If Sony is so confident in their Superhero movie making skills, why not bring Miles Morales into their Sony Universe of Marvel Characters? They can make Spiderman movies at whatever pace they want, cast whoever they want, and operate in a separated Universe without the baggage of MCU confusion.
That's probably what they plan on doing, if they can't strike a deal.
They are making a live-action Silk film.
Sony should use Scarlett Spider and call it a day.
I got a feeling of they don't strike a deal, they'll go nuclear, use Holland in a non-MCU film and piss everyone off in the process.
It seems people have been having their fun with Google's automatic descriptions.
Iirc, Marvel can only use Peter Parker. Sony can use any Spider-Man character they want.
Its crazy to me, Sony passively got a billion dollar movie. They could stand to continue to passively eat off of MCU work AND use their newfound confidence to do their own Spider-Man live action universe. They can have their cake, eat it, and still keep goodwill with comic movie fans.
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That's what they want to do though, lol. They want to keep the deal as is going forward with no amended terms of changes to compensation and financing.
I assume that there are probably other factors at play that is making negotiations so difficult that we are not aware of. I can't imagine Disney doesn't want to put in place change of control termination rights which I'd assume Sony would vehemently oppose and that would be an impasse.
They can STILL passively eat of MCU even if the terms change to compensate Disney more. Even giving up 30-50% they are spending less and making more than they ever would w/o Feige.
If they want to make their own movies they can do that via live action spider-verse w/o screwing with mcu.
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