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Massive Russian military buildup near Ukraine
- Thread starter Forerunner
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An attempt to retake part of the empire that was lost after the break up of the Soviet Union, or at least force it back into the Russian sphere of influence.
I'd love to hear how the west is agitating this. keep in mind Russia, the United States, the United Kingdom and Ukraine all signed agreements to defend/honor Ukraine's sovereignty in exchange for them giving up their nuclear arsenal. Of the countries that are party to this agreement, only one of them has invaded and annexed territory from Ukraine.
I'm starting to think that Russia will abort this operation. The window for invasion is getting tight and the sanctions and operational costs will obliterate their economy.
It would cost him more to abandon everything instead of doubling down. Especially since Navalny is still alive.
The US isn't going to war with Russia. Ukraine isn't in NATO.
If Russia were to invade a NATO nation, Russia would be effectively declaring war on the United States.
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I don't know, we got people calling others russian bots in here for not lining up for another US proxy war.
Some of ya'll literally never learn.
Yes, NATO's eastern flank. What's so confusing about that statement?
Eastern European NATO nations.
She was using the same language the reporter used when asking the question.
I don't think the window has even opened yet. There's still videos of trainloads of units moving westward every day from vast distances across Russia. There are six landing ships from the Northern and Baltic fleets about to enter the Mediterranean in the coming days, from there they will most likely sail into the Black Sea to become part of a larger amphibious landing force. Pieces are still being put into place.
That's being generous to assume that it's misunderstanding versus being disingenuous.
The problem is, even if Putin wanted to abort how would he without losing face in front of the entire Russian population? There's 1 thing every dictator in history has needed to stay in power: showing strength against enemies, both real enemies and imaginary enemies like NATO in this case. If Putin doesn't invade and NATO makes no major concessions Putin looks like a huge weakling in front of the entire Russian population and that might very well be worse for him than a complete economic collapse might be.
Ah yeah, US supporting a sovereign country which wants to protect itself against foreign aggression = proxy war.
Yeah NATO should just look the other way as Russia bullies and steamrolls its weaker neighbors.
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Listening to the whole thing, I got it. I thought she was referring to Ukraine as one of those countries.
You mean the proxy war russia started 8 years ago or was that fine in your opinion?
Please stop replying to this guy. He's a troll trying to derail the discussion, nothing more.
Russia considers them little brother and party of the 'Mother land'
So do I. I also really oppose Russia invading Ukraine. That's the difficulty of this situation.
Putin is silent about Ukraine because he's not sure about the final output of all of this. If something goes wrong (for Russia), he wants to stay away from it. That's why he's distancing.
It also shows how really weak Putin is, as a person and leader. Strong leaders don't afraid admit mistakes.
Yep. If the pot of shit eventually blows up, he doesn't want his face anywhere near it.
They have an obligation to defend their NATO allies. That is it, No one is going into a hot war with Russia. Russia's messaging that Biden putting troops in Eastern Europe is a aggressive/provocative action is really messing with some minds.
People asking what Putin is doing ... Tomorrow he has a video conference call with CEO's of the largest companies in Italy.
How can the president of Russia distance himself from a war his own country started? Gonna be pretty hard to blame it on a rogue military.
I gotta say i'm positively surprised by the biden admin handling of this. They were a bit slow at the start but it seems we're quickly approaching a point where a invasion will not only be economically disastrous for russia but also could become very costly militarily.
We still need to strongly boost ukranian anti air and anti missile capabilities from my understanding but outside of giving them stingers or patriots.
We still need to strongly boost ukranian anti air and anti missile capabilities from my understanding but outside of giving them stingers or patriots.
I think it just takes a bit of time to start getting all the pieces into position which is why it seemed that they were slow. Decisions have to be made and that isn't something you want to rush when it comes to this stuff nor are you really able to without wrangling all of your partners together.
NATO members in Eastern Europe and usually the ones subject to Russian irrendentism (Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Estonia, etc.). They're often referred to as the eastern flank of NATO.
The Debate in Finland and Sweden for NATO heats. up
www.ft.com
Ukraine crisis revives Nato debate in Finland and Sweden
Politicians from across the spectrum in both Nordic countries insist on ‘freedom of choice’
www.ft.com
Nations that plan to invade smaller, weaker nations will often use bullshit excuses to try to justify their acts of aggression.
The Bush administration did that in 2003 before invading Iraq.
Russia is doing the same thing here.
The Bush administration did that in 2003 before invading Iraq.
Russia is doing the same thing here.
For Putin - easily. He's even distancing from the issues that's happening within Russia, like recent story about Kadyrov that happened last week.
Thankfully mods aren't putting up with that anymore. How anyone with a bit of sense can look at Russia massing troops on the borders of Ukraine (in two separate countries nonetheless) and think "gee, it's too bad that Biden made them do that, derp derp derp" is beyond me. This site is better off without those posters altogether, IMO.
Oh? What new shitfuckery did Kadyrov Jr. pull last week?
I think the movement in Belarus looking like the invasion will be a whole takeover of Ukraine has upped the urgency. This is no longer a limited incursion by Russia.
AA, the best bet is stingers and other NATO standard man pads. Time is too thin to move in complex missile batteries into Ukraine and successfully train Ukranian forces. Those kind of batteries have terrible consequences if used by undertrained crews.
Well, for starters, Russian population doesn't really want a war? Putin also never really stated that he is planning to invade Ukraine. They call it a military exercise, there was never a promise of an invasion. So I don't think losing face is a very big concern… Though Putin will probably still want at least some concessions (not MAJOR concessions, as you said) from NATO before he considers a de-escalation. Otherwise, yes, it would look like all this crisis only led to increased presence of NATO in Eastern Europe, and Russia got nothing out of it (didn't respond in any way).
Anyone who seriously thought Nord Stream 2 isn't a thing to increase European dependency on Russian gas has their head EXTREMELY far up their ass.
This is a videogame forum so I guess it makes sense that if Ukraine wants to be worth our protection they should have been building Playstation 5s.
Taiwan is a major player in the semiconductor field, sure, but most of the companies have started looking at building fabs outside the region and China itself is investing into catching up, so if in 10 years if Intel's got a fab in the US, TSMC has a fab in Europe, Samsung already has one in Texas, and China's homegrown companies are caught up would Taiwan now be expendable?
We say China's rational but at a point, if everyone openly admits we can't go to war over single small nations and what point does it become rational for China to think the same? It's like we're hoping Chinese or Russian people can't read English and think our threats carry weight when we ourselves openly state they carry no weight.
Someday it'll actually be irrational to believe the US would defend any nation and all the rational actors in the world will know it.
Kidnapping people (families of human rights activists, as far as I understand).
Kremlin said they don't believe in these "fantastic (as in, imaginary) stories".
Then Kadyrov just doubled down and said that he considers the kidnapped families to be terrorists and they will either end up in prison, or be destroyed. 🤷♂️
Edit: actually, no. He didn't even say "destroyed". He said "either in prison or (buried) underground".
No, it would not because TSMC's fabs are years ahead of everyone else.
Ah, so Ramzan being a disgusting waste of oxygen, as usual.
Truth be told, Ramzan could be a real pain for Russia, were he not such a galaxy-tier brainlet. He's content with ruling over his human game reserve/sex & drug dungeon, he has no greater ambitions/aspirations.
I suspect ol' Akhmad got iced with the indirect support of Russia's services, who 'coincidentally' did not warn him of the bomb plot in a timely fashion.
Putin is an opportunist. He will extend as far as the bungee cord allows before snapping.
I suspect he has a series of goals, in descending order of "glorious success" propaganda.
1. He takes over Ukraine, ends up with a string of Russian bases throughout the country and a puppet government. This moves the Nato-Russia frontier to Romania, and also puts direct invasion pressure on Moldova.
2. He takes over the eastern half, plus the entire coast, linking him up to Transnistria and Gagauzia. This cuts off Ukraine's access to the sea, leaving an impoverished rump state. Russians can now perform diversionary moves in Moldova (and intensify agitprop in Romania).
3. He takes over the eastern half, but not the entire coast. Ukraine still suffers, since the industrial heartland is in the east (plus all the mid-country cities now ending up right on the Dniester border).
4. Donetsk and Luhansk end up as "fully-independent" (read: full Russian puppet-states) republics, maybe a bit more territory outside them.
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