MasterChef contestant faces backlash for calling Asian food 'dirty'
- Thread starter Richiek
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Let's put it this way: don't ever refer to people by that term.
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Of course that's different, but we're talking about food/things in this thread, so my thinking was limited to that
I'm going to get reported and banned again, am I?
Being Asian is hard in this site.
Being Asian is hard in this site.
Yes, because tha's the rule of this site, which consist of 99% Westerners. How do you know that dirty is not as offensive if being used to adress people in Asian countries?
So my understanding is this was just a slang misunderstanding thing? Like if an American was confused by someone in the UK saying they wanted a fag because they didn't understand the meaning properly?
Personally, I'm from Northern England and I've never heard anyone ask for "dirty" food.
Personally, I'm from Northern England and I've never heard anyone ask for "dirty" food.
User banned (2 weeks): History of dismissive commentary
Honestly, nah. I think this is the only time "if you were offended" is appropriate. And honestly, if I were her, I WOULDN'T have apologized for principality reasons...
ok... you can stop trolling now.
There's literally a burger place in London called Dirty Burger in Shoreditch. It's a colloquial phrase used a lot here. Not saying that makes this okay in the context, but it's definitely a phrase. Dirty burger, dirty breakfast, that sort of thing.
It's referring to street food aka takeaway; cooked up quick and often fried or in large amounts. Nothing to do with it being Chinese; now I think maybe if I was appealing to an international audience then I'd of called it Street food but it's got the same meaning over here (Also junk is considered dirty so junk food is surely as bad).
I was assaulted this year by someone who threatened to beat me up because I am half Asian and according to him "responsible for corona", so I am more than pissed off by people like Trump who intentionally try to frame covid as the China virus, but I seriously think this dirty food thing is overblown.
It's just some food slang, people.
It's just some food slang, people.
What you're actually saying is you want people to ignore their own reality because it doesn't align with what you want to believe. No thanks.
Jesus Christ
Maybe because those are more American terms and she's not American? I've never heard anyone in rl in the UK say the term casual dining...
I hate this snobbishness when it comes to language. Local dialects exist, words can be used differently in different areas. How about understanding that and being willing to be educated on it, rather than demanding everyone only use the language in a way that you personally deem to be correct?
Used to work near one of their other restaurants - was amazing.
Especially appreciated them selling beer which you could drink whilst waiting.
See, that's the thing. It's not a "bit" racist, it's a full blown slur meant to make someone feel inferior. The perception just seems to be different in the UK. Not trying to attack anyone's home country, just always thought this was strange being an Asian American myself.
Because it seems like "dirty food" is common slang where she's from. I'm fine with this explanation, language varies a lot even within the same country, so this seems to be a case of "lost in translation" or something like that. Hell, I'm sure between Latin American countries we'd have a lot of trouble understanding each other's slang.
She was trying to make a hashtag happen. You have to be aware of the global implications on social media, especially when it comes to food which knows no borders.
I see dirty food being referred to more often than street food, and certainly more than casual dining, which is not a phrase that I've ever heard outside of a press release over here.
Your UK mates are being racist, them trying to pretend that there's not really Chinese people here is pretty brazen.
Look. I'm sorry that I brought that term up, that was uncalled for. But can we focus on the point I'm trying to make here? Follow the conversation.
A bit in British English doesn't necessarily mean 10% racist. I don't think the poster was implying it was not a full blown racist slur.
The point you're trying to make is crass and ill-thought-out, and pretty outrageously ignorant.
Some words, like the word "dirty", have many different potential meanings, and using one of them and not the other is not inherently disrespectful.
Some words, like the n-word, mean exactly one thing.
It's a full blown slur in the UK too, your friends just racist. I'm from the UK, we know it's a slur.
Are you saying you would have typed it out if site rules weren't stopping you?
User banned (3 days): This is not how "dirty" is used in the UK and an Asian spouse should not be used to dismiss concerns
I mean one of my wife's favorite food when home is what she calls "dirty vegetables", and she's from Beijing, so I don't find this shocking really. I get her point.
This seems unnecessary.
One word has literally no other meaning or usage other than the racist perjorative it is. The other has many common, benign, usages including apparently the common colloquialism of 'dirty food' which is more or less the equivalent of 'guilty food'. The latter has also been used in an offensive way, but it's quite obvious why people are commenting on the comparison being ridiculous.
What no one is doing is outrightly criticising anyone for finding it offensive, most people are just trying to highlight the common usage in the UK.
When I think of the terminology 'dirty' in food I would think of something like Kuma' corner burgers just lathered with eggs and onions and gravy and whatever, it's not the opposite of 'clean' food which I would just consider non processed, organic, etc. That burger with super extra over the top ingredients could absolutely be dirty and clean in a descriptive food sense at the same time.
edit: East Asian-American living in London here.
edit: East Asian-American living in London here.
People who say "Fancy going to the chinkys?" or "I'm going to the Paki shop" are usually white, lower educated "political correctness gone mad" types who live in white majority areas, probably over 40 but I'm sure some young still people say it. Both terms are absolutely racist here in the UK today. It's not uncommon to hear things like that in 80s sitcoms like Only Fools and Horses, where it was "acceptable" for the white majority to say what they wanted (maybe even "affectionately") with no regard for the feelings of new immigrants or minorities.
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I've definitely heard comfort food referred to as dirty/naughty/guilty before and that clearly seems to be her intention. There is always a 1% chance she could be a secret Nazi that is trying to push a racist agenda but did anyone read her bio description and assume that she's most likely being racist?
Basically, I think changing the language is more to take away potential ammo from racists than it is because most Asians interpreted that as an insult. How long has her profile had "dirty" used in that way?
Basically, I think changing the language is more to take away potential ammo from racists than it is because most Asians interpreted that as an insult. How long has her profile had "dirty" used in that way?
I have heard "dirty food" numerous times in reference to "junk food" or fat/calorie bombs like chili dogs and what not, but I've never heard the word adjacent to or in any way associated with asian food.
This sounds like people misinformed about less-used slang assuming the worst than racism. Akin to someone specializing in soul food and using a "street food" hash tag. They wouldn't be using "street" in the derogatory "im an uninformed white person in regards to black culture so i just use the word 'street' since i'm ignorant and shitty" way but in regards to actual street vendor foods, etc.
This sounds like people misinformed about less-used slang assuming the worst than racism. Akin to someone specializing in soul food and using a "street food" hash tag. They wouldn't be using "street" in the derogatory "im an uninformed white person in regards to black culture so i just use the word 'street' since i'm ignorant and shitty" way but in regards to actual street vendor foods, etc.
It's not uncommon in Southern food lingo. I think it's the idea of a "side of a dirty road shack burger/chicken". That said, I hear it much more as "street food" than "dirty food".
There's literally a restaurant called Dirty Burger where I work in London. It's such a common phrase; dirty burger, dirty kebab etc.
That's offensive in the UK, and everyone knows it is.
I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt there, because that's just something that one wouldn't admit... right?
Dirty Food Refined *devil emoji* *gyoza emoji* Asian Specialist
It seems like bad placement if it's an innocent mistake.
It seems like bad placement if it's an innocent mistake.
Yeah sorry, to clarify "probably a bit racist" was meant to mean "racist cunt"