entremet

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Isabella Rosario Blum was wrapping up medical school and considering residency programs to become a family practice physician when she got some frank advice: If she wanted to be trained to provide abortions, she shouldn't stay in Arizona.

Blum turned to programs mostly in states where abortion access — and, by extension, abortion training — is likely to remain protected, like California, Colorado and New Mexico. Arizona has enacted a law banning most abortions after 15 weeks.

"I would really like to have all the training possible," she said, "so of course that would have still been a limitation.

One of the secondary effects with Dobbs will be the medical brain drain, already happening.
 

Maxim726x

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Oct 27, 2017
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Absolutely makes sense to me.

Would rather not be in a state where it might be a crime to take care of a patient, thanks for asking.
 

Dark Knight

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Oct 25, 2017
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When you legislate the veritable stripping away of civilization from every conceivable angle, you can't expect those from neighboring societies to perpetually be bailing you out or throwing you lifelines in the form of qualified professionals. At some there just aren't enough upsides and too many risks involved in moving to the rural/red states. I fully expect these states to be violent, toxic hellholes in a couple decades time, barring any miraculous shifts in policymaking.

But that party doesn't exist without constantly deepening the divide and stoking the jealousy and rage of their constituents, so there's no incentive for their politicians to be better.
 

smurfx

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Oct 25, 2017
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they are trying to punish doctors for providing services. who knows what they will criminalize next so why stay in those states?
 

The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
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They absolutely should, they have to watch out for their own neck. Any pediatrician that treats teenage girls will be in the crosshairs for eventual legislation that tries to ban birth control — an abortaficient according to republicans — and prosecute the doctors who prescribe it, charging them with murder.
 

maqtunat

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Most health professionals worth their mettle will follow suit. I don't want a doctor, nurse, or anyone in the field who isn't working in their patients' best interest, why tf would anyone
 

Nothing Loud

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Oct 25, 2017
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Abortion is the first line of treatment care for many types of ob/gyn health because becoming pregnant is literally the most dangerous thing you can do to your body and anybody that denies this is obfuscating the truth: abortion is healthcare. If you want to learn healthcare, avoid states where abortion is illegal.
 
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entremet

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When you legislate the veritable stripping away of civilization from every conceivable angle, you can't expect those from neighboring societies to perpetually be bailing you out or throwing you lifelines in the form of qualified professionals. At some there just aren't enough upsides and too many risks involved in moving to the rural/red states. I fully expect these states to be violent, toxic hellholes in a couple decades time, barring any miraculous shifts in policymaking.

But that party doesn't exist without constantly deepening the divide and stoking the jealousy and rage of their constituents, so there's no incentive for their politicians to be better.
This why the idiots in SCOTUS shouldn't insert themselves here. But we're going through a conservative backlash right now.
 

Hellwarden

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's been reported on a couple times, but Idaho is suffering from a critical shortage of OBGYNs.

It's not a problem the people running the state care enough to fix either.
 

HTupolev

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Oct 27, 2017
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Defining an important aspect of someone's job as murder will tend to make them hesitant to perform that job in that jurisdiction, yeah.
 

ivantod

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Oct 27, 2017
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Well yeah, you don't really want to be in a situation where in order to avoid jail you have to wait until the woman is nearly dead before being "allowed" (maybe) to perform a medically necessitated abortion. And even then you're not 100% sure that you won't be criminally liable.
 

PAFenix

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Nov 21, 2019
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I got nothing to add that hasn't already been said.

Best of luck to those of us stuck here.
 

Falchion

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah residents are avoiding Idaho too. I don't blame them since they could be criminally tried for saving a woman's life....
 

methane47

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The AAMC analysis notes that even in states with abortion bans, residency programs are filling their positions — mostly because there are more graduating medical students in the U.S. and abroad than there are residency slots.

Huh... lede buried it seems.
If theres a 5-6% drop in applicants, but the residency positions were still all filled.... to me I don't know how this is all that concerning if the full ban states are still recruiting the max number of graduates regardless of position on abortion.