I still think Windows Phone was built on good ideas. Vendor lock in and bad localization killed them in the end. In this market they have a brand and marketshare already, that helps.
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Microsoft’s Project xCloud formally announced: Out to the public in 2019
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I still think Windows Phone was built on good ideas. Vendor lock in and bad localization killed them in the end. In this market they have a brand and marketshare already, that helps.
I specified HOME internet. We don't have caps on wifi like many Americans do. Then I was pointing out that even on my phone I can already afford to stream content at very cheap prices.
Sony's already distributing their games on PC via streaming.
The vision of playing Playstation games on a generic device via streaming is exactly what they have been investing in. Of course it'll happen, it'll expand, it'll be on more devices, and be more of their content.
Sony is hardly a winnow. They spend double digit billions a year operating the PS business. To put things in perspective, PS revenue was a neat match for total Azure revenue last year. From a revenue scale and revenue incentive point of view, Sony shouldn't be underestimated at all.
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It was not having a good store that killed windows phone more than anything. They made the right kind of move buying Nokia, but then didn't get enough developers and advances on their storefront to make having a windows phone attractive.
Microsoft and Nintendo already have a solid partnership around Minecraft. You're thinking of this as a service that drives people to Microsoft hardware, instead of realizing that it would add value to Switch as a platform. The overlap in available games would need to be quite large for Nintendo to view it as a threat to their actual game sales.
Is it possible the rumored Switch revision has something to do, at least in part, with this? Both are coming late next year. Perhaps Nintendo is adding sim-card support to the Switch to allow it to have 5G access to streaming services, as well as Nintendo Online, anywhere for those who chose to pay for another line.
I can honestly see the Scarlett streaming device getting a release as early as next year. Use it as a test for consumer interest before announcing their next-gen box in 2020 and confirming that the streaming device can play those games too.
You've actually made my point for me. The idea that suddenly streaming services will push out Sony and Nintendo is just not true. Firstly, they WILL adapt. Sony actually purchased Gaikai for streaming games, so it's not like they're just twiddling their thumbs, and i'm sure Nintendo is looking into this as well. Secondly, people are making a big deal of MS talking with ISPs...of course theyre talking with ISPs, it's doing your due diligence. They can't force them to do something they dont want, THEN we have the lack of net neutrality in the United States, you just know comcast is licking their chops at the possibility of a gaming level of internet subscription. I just think this is closer to the self driving car situation. Is it inevitable? Yes, but people are underestimating how long it will take to work as intended
I think this means 2020 for scarlet. MS will need to test for several months before launching. 2019 streaming beta with 2020 platform launch.
Yeah, that's fine. Again I'm optimistic but I'm not buying stock or anything. I'll check it out next year. Right now I only have iPhone gaming on the go, so no matter what happens it can't get worse.
It's a good idea but implementation is going to be tricky. I have been trying out Nvidia streaming beta, tried that Shadow service, and a few others. It's still not quite there even with my home's FIOS connection (1gb, no caps). Latency issues, varying image quality, etc...
Now throw in less robust connection, more latency, and bandwidth caps and the solution won't be great for a lot of people. It's good to have it as a choice though.
Now throw in less robust connection, more latency, and bandwidth caps and the solution won't be great for a lot of people. It's good to have it as a choice though.
In the US, it is the opposite, rates skyrocketing for basically no reason as coverage seems to shrink.
If there's going to be a bottleneck in the rollout and adoption of this stuff, it's going to be the US telcom services.
I think Nintendo wouldn't mind having this as an option. If the "Switch Pro" is able to play 3rd party games that the original can't, this could somewhat relieve that barrier. Plus they're positioned where the Switch would benefit the most from game streaming services.
Can the streaming service sustains the Triple A industry?
And above all,do you really want to be linked to a monthly fee and don't own literally anything?
Many doubts here...
And above all,do you really want to be linked to a monthly fee and don't own literally anything?
Many doubts here...
Just checked the 4G coverage. With an average speed of ~75Mbit this should work on 4G in The Netherlands
So here's Verizon's reported 4g coverage.
And upon doing a google speed test, I'm getting 18.6 down, 4 up. And I spend way too much a month on telcom fees.
Project Stream highly suggests 25down, and from playing last night, the stream was 22mbit.
If anything's going to fuck this up, it's going to be greedy american telcoms.
I've talked about a queueing tech most companies can and could use but don't
The two most well known forms this tech are known as FQ-Codel or Cake.
Most nic interfaces use a fifo queue. Fifo queues have a lot of flaws but the biggest that should be pointed out is that all packets within the queue are processed first and if the queue is full all packets sent to it are dropped. Yet companies and consumers alike who are in to network tech and have the means have been switching to better tech over the last few years. I could name other schedulers and the like but they cannot kill bufferbloat or lessen it as it happens so they are no better than a fifo queue.
The two I mentioned work and unlike a single flow fifo queue DSCP priority is respecedt across a single flow or multiple flow setup. You have can have even more flows and with DSCP any company could massively have better performance for services or their games.
We could be using something consistent for latency like the following picture.
or we could keep this kind of queueing architecture which is the biggest fault known in bufferbloat.
MS literally just did all that and then gimped themselves continuing to use their quasi fifo architecture which is known not to hold up in test that are looking for bufferbloat and stress the network it's being tested on.
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It doesn't have to sustain, it's an additional option to reach new users. I don't foresee an explosive mass transition to streaming - this will be something that simmers alongside the existing distribution models for some time to come.
There's no reason under a given model why you can't own the games you're playing, if you buy them. The model here seems to be, buy the game, pay some fee (?), stream your games. In that model you own the games your buying.
In a pure subscription model, you're not owning anything...but other mediums have shown an appetite for wide instant access to a much larger library in exchange for ownership,
That's not good to hear. Do you know how far away you were from the servers?
Maybe. It depends. For streaming services, it usually makes more sense to place your marketplace on as many devices as you can. You can use iTunes with anything (not that I'd suggest it).
Im not even arguing here ....
PlayStation brand is the strongest right now...but losing the walled garden is like starting a new game where the rules are differents ...and differently from what gaming on Exclusive hardware is......this time I see Sony really behind other competitors. Just this.
Is not doom and gloom for Sony in any form
As gamer I would love the idea to play all the games on one platform
Nintendo won't allow a strange shop on their hardware were they don't earn a buck from streaming those games. They could partner up with microsoft, build their own shop and run some of the games over Microsofts servers (paying Microsoft for Server usage)
You clearly didn't because your response was pretty nonsensical in light of the post you were replying to.
My post was poking fun at those claiming streaming waa the future of gaming. It wasn't even specifically about MS so I really don't understand why you're so offended.
Thanks man! Really appreciate it. Yes ATT seems full of shit. Very frustrating. I'll probably PM you in the near future after I look into what you've said.
I definitely agree that Nintendo isn't going to allow this on their platform for free. I think we need more information on how Microsoft plans to handle pricing and support before drawing any real conclusions.
Google,Amazon & Microsoft will turn Nintendo & Sony into Blockbuster if they don't change with the times Sony will adapt or merge with somebody Nintendo they are set in their ways
The fact is that streaming IS the future of gaming. Like VR it is just in his infancy
I didn't get what you were trying to say but I think I got it now ;-)
My guess is everyone. Cloud compute is their primary business going forward. Sony is going to use someone's servers or invest in their own. Microsoft is the 2nd biggest cloud network but other corporations are investing and it's only a matter of time before there's multiple companies who can adequately cover all major regions. Sony will be doing the same thing. Only question is who's servers.
Just like Sony didn't lock out Blu-Ray drives from Xbox, I don't believe Microsoft will target Sony and lock them out of renting their servers...if they're interested and don't get a better deal from somewhere else. Microsoft's investors wouldn't allow it. Again Azure is Microsoft's core business. Gaming is important but it's not going to hold back potential profits from the core business.
Why do you think Microsoft has been playing so nice to their competitors in this space lately?
Apple is the one they gotta get. They need those iPhone and iPad users. Sony is no offense to them small potatoes by comparison.
I think Microsoft can actually win this. They were slow to mobile, but they are ahead of the curve on this one.
Potentially paradigm-shifting news. It´s very probable that the unexpected Project Stream announcement forced Microsoft to show their cards a little before what had been planed (XO?), but it was known that the Nadella-Spencer led Xbox was ultimately leading to this.
I do believe that, if technically succesful (insignificant latency, effective worldwide coverage, aggresive pricing, etc.), these initiatives could threaten Sony´s position. As much as they are leading this generation, and as strong the Playstation brand currently is, they just wouldn´t be able to compete with something of this technological and financial magnitude. An all-out streaming battle between Microsoft and Google could change the rules of this industry, IMHO.
Are there some Project Stream beta impressions available already? Even as an Xbox / Microsoft products consumer, I think that Google will have the upper hand.
I do believe that, if technically succesful (insignificant latency, effective worldwide coverage, aggresive pricing, etc.), these initiatives could threaten Sony´s position. As much as they are leading this generation, and as strong the Playstation brand currently is, they just wouldn´t be able to compete with something of this technological and financial magnitude. An all-out streaming battle between Microsoft and Google could change the rules of this industry, IMHO.
Are there some Project Stream beta impressions available already? Even as an Xbox / Microsoft products consumer, I think that Google will have the upper hand.
Slightly fixed up the post and added more to the subject of queues so that it's easier to follow. NP I can be a horrible poster and feedback helps me clean out the info I'm giving.
You guess is correct. It makes the most sense from a business perspective in regards to cloud streaming.