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Oct 28, 2017
6,244
If the American people were anything Mitch McConnell would have been dragged from the well of the Senate, stripped naked and tarred and feathered in the street for his tyranny regarding Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland for the SCOTUS and for his grim reaper I am the Senate spiel recently. Instead he prospers.

Speaks volumes about a people and a nation.
 

Jag

Member
Oct 26, 2017
11,675
If the American people were anything Mitch McConnell would have been dragged from the well of the Senate, stripped naked and tarred and feathered in the street for his tyranny regarding Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland for the SCOTUS and for his grim reaper I am the Senate spiel recently. Instead he prospers.

Speaks volumes about a people and a nation.

McConnell represents the will and beliefs of the Republican Party. He's more than happy to be the face of racism and injustice so others in his party don't have to deal with it. That way we focus our anger on the person which takes some of the heat off the Party.
 

Saganator

Member
Oct 26, 2017
7,127
So starting to pretend to treat black people like humans is supposed to make up for slavery. Got it.
 

jeelybeans

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,948
Remember, all Republicans are complicit. Trump is just a symptom to a much bigger problem. This is what these people really are at their core.
 
Oct 28, 2017
6,244
McConnell represents the will and beliefs of the Republican Party. He's more than happy to be the face of racism and injustice so others in his party don't have to deal with it. That way we focus our anger on the person which takes some of the heat off the Party.
After his grim reaper I am the Senate admission in front of donors a few weeks back, he is uniquely and solely responsible for a large part of the toxicity and congressional dysfunction we have. He is far more than jut a figurehead to bear the brunt. He controls far too much -- namely the entirety of the Senate at present -- to skate that responsibility.

Also, it has been a decade, where is his healthcare plan?
 

Garlador

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
14,131
The worst thing about McConnell is that for every sane person who rightly calls him out on his rule-breaking, hypocrisy, racism, unethical conduct, poor job performance, and harmful views... McConnell has helped twist and warp American politics so hard that by the time we realized how bad his rule-breaking had become, he had practically written a whole new rule book that benefits the worst brand of conservative ideology and leverages that influence and power to them for decades to come.

He was never held accountable for a single thing he said or did to reverse the progress our nation was making, and thus he realized he could act with impunity and never face consequences. It was masterful and horrifying to watch him swindle Americans out of their liberties in broad daylight like he has.
 
Oct 25, 2017
32,309
Atlanta GA
We absolutely should figure out a plan for reparations, we owe it to everyone we can support. It's called taking responsibility as a nation, Mitch.

We kidnapped people from their homeland, enslaved them, tortured raped and killed them, enslaved and tortured raped and killed their children, then we stopped enslaving their surviving children, and did everything in our power to make sure their children's children either died as children, or never got a leg up in society as adults.

150 years is not a long time when you are talking about evil on that scale.

That money that Mitch and his rich white friends, who would LOVE to own slaves today if they were allowed, gave to themselves last year. All the fortunes they've amassed at the expense of others - what do you think they would say if you asked them if they wanted that money to remain in their family 150 years from now? Unequivocally yes - that would be their answer. That tax cut money is what we need to start with.

Dear God. I don't know who's worse. Him or Trump. Jesus what a very stupid, stupid man. No respect.

Chaotic evil vs Lawful evil. Not sure which is worse in this scenario based on their respective roles in government.
 

Goat Mimicry

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,920
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"we've tried to deal with the original sin of slavery by passing civil rights legislation and electing an African American president... "
"We" haven't tried to do shit.
 

GK86

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,795
Mitch: "Black people should have to pay us for freeing them in the first place!"
 

Boom Roasted

Member
Feb 8, 2018
344
I don't want to focus on the messenger here. We all know what he is. The message is central to this because it's how a lot of people feel. Not just people like McConnell either. Many young people believe that slavery is old and no one today should be held accountable. Others believe that Obama, civil rights, and affirmative action are all that's needed to atone for the crime against humanity that was the trans Atlantic slave trade.

So many fallacious arguments surround reparations. Firstly, the age of the crime is positioned as if it has a statute of limitations. Why doesn't this attitude apply to other things that are just as old, if not older? Why didn't he speak out against the confederate monuments or the people who were defending them? None of the people involved are still around right? Using the age of the end slavery as justification for invalidating attempts at meaningful justice is insultingly disingenuous.

Secondly, the "whose gonna pay for it" argument is also a superficial attempt at addressing reparations. It's obvious, to anyone who goes beyond the surface, that a large percentage of the wealth the U.S. has garnered comes directly from the free labor of slaves. That wealth hasn't been spent. It's been invested and distributed among the elites via tax breaks and subsidies.

The elites are the other prong in this two headed slavery monster. Many of the old banks that are still around today were providing financial services to slaveholders and slavery-based industries (cotton, sugar, tobacco, etc). So they should be held accountable and so should the other "old money" companies that amassed their wealth in/directly off the back of slaves.

Lastly, the point of "who are we going to pay" is also an attempt at being divisive and painting the descendants of slavery as unworthy of reparations. Enslaved people survived so that the generations after them could be free and to seek justice. Reparations are a part of fulfilling that justice. We owe it to our ancestors to get what they deserved. Critically, though, payment could come in many forms and from many sources (including European and maybe African nations). The U.S. could offer descendants of slavery tax breaks, U.S. bonds, or interest free business loans. Cash damages from the "old money" industries or other countries would likely have to come via the courts.

I just wanted to make these points because reparations are loooooooooong over due. People who lived under Jim Crow are still alive today and people who experienced the horrors of slavery are only one or two generations before them. Also, that reparations are not a black/white issue. Rather, they are an attempt at achieving justice for enslaved people who were victimized by the U.S., Europe, several cornerstone industries, and even some African nations.
 

WedgeX

Member
Oct 27, 2017
13,228
The same jackass that declared Obama would be a one-term President and literally broke the Constitution in two to make sure Obama didn't get to appoint Merrick Garland to the bench.
 

maxxpower

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
8,950
California
I think the biggest problem is that there's enough people in this country that side with these fucks and keep putting them in positions of power.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,172
United States
Mitch McConnell is such a dangerous, evil man. Hes up there with Cheney on my list of people who just want to watch the world burn and have the power to enact such entertainment for themselves. I will never understand how anyone supports people like Mitch fucking McConnell
 

Bryo4321

Member
Nov 20, 2017
1,518
What would even be considered acceptable reparations? I don't see how you could assign a monetary value to the suffering people went through. I would imagine there would be something more than that? And why on earth is Mitch in such a position of power? How do these evil men keep grabbing power?
 

grang

Member
Nov 13, 2017
10,087
He probably thinks whites are owed reparations for the 8 years Obama was in office
 

Deleted member 2779

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Oct 25, 2017
4,045
Let's not pretend this is some radical sentiment isolated to people like Mcconnell. A good portion of white America sincerely believes this.

Also any opportunity to post this article by Coates is a good one.
www.theatlantic.com

The Case for Reparations

Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole.
 

Bronx-Man

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
15,351
Secondly, the "whose gonna pay for it" argument is also a superficial attempt at addressing reparations. It's obvious, to anyone who goes beyond the surface, that a large percentage of the wealth the U.S. has garnered comes directly from the free labor of slaves. That wealth hasn't been spent. It's been invested and distributed among the elites via tax breaks and subsidies.

The elites are the other prong in this two headed slavery monster. Many of the old banks that are still around today were providing financial services to slaveholders and slavery-based industries (cotton, sugar, tobacco, etc). So they should be held accountable and so should the other "old money" companies that amassed their wealth in/directly off the back of slaves

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Your entire post was on point but this part in particular needs to be highlighted. When we talk about reparations we're not just discussing the trans-atlantic slave trade, we're talking about how the United States government spent decades after the abolishment of slavery to keep black Americans under a lower state of life. Denied land. Denied credit. Denied education. Denied job opportunities. The wealth gap between white Americans and black Americans is massive because of this systemic denial of a certain quality of life.
 

samoyed

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
15,191
Most people, liberals and conservatives, but conservatives most of all, have worldviews that can barely extend beyond their living memory. They have no conception that the world they live in is built off of the blood and exploitation of people in the past, and that the advantages they come to inherit only exist because they were taken from someone else a long time ago. And just like how you can inherit a house and benefit from the work of your forebears, you can also inherit prejudiced housing policies, and suffer from the oppression of your forebears.

Reparations is merely recognizing this very simple (yet complex) idea.

(The south should always have been razed and given over to former slaves.)
 

Serif

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
3,802
I don't want to focus on the messenger here. We all know what he is. The message is central to this because it's how a lot of people feel. Not just people like McConnell either. Many young people believe that slavery is old and no one today should be held accountable. Others believe that Obama, civil rights, and affirmative action are all that's needed to atone for the crime against humanity that was the trans Atlantic slave trade.

So many fallacious arguments surround reparations. Firstly, the age of the crime is positioned as if it has a statute of limitations. Why doesn't this attitude apply to other things that are just as old, if not older? Why didn't he speak out against the confederate monuments or the people who were defending them? None of the people involved are still around right? Using the age of the end slavery as justification for invalidating attempts at meaningful justice is insultingly disingenuous.

Secondly, the "whose gonna pay for it" argument is also a superficial attempt at addressing reparations. It's obvious, to anyone who goes beyond the surface, that a large percentage of the wealth the U.S. has garnered comes directly from the free labor of slaves. That wealth hasn't been spent. It's been invested and distributed among the elites via tax breaks and subsidies.

The elites are the other prong in this two headed slavery monster. Many of the old banks that are still around today were providing financial services to slaveholders and slavery-based industries (cotton, sugar, tobacco, etc). So they should be held accountable and so should the other "old money" companies that amassed their wealth in/directly off the back of slaves.

Lastly, the point of "who are we going to pay" is also an attempt at being divisive and painting the descendants of slavery as unworthy of reparations. Enslaved people survived so that the generations after them could be free and to seek justice. Reparations are a part of fulfilling that justice. We owe it to our ancestors to get what they deserved. Critically, though, payment could come in many forms and from many sources (including European and maybe African nations). The U.S. could offer descendants of slavery tax breaks, U.S. bonds, or interest free business loans. Cash damages from the "old money" industries or other countries would likely have to come via the courts.

I just wanted to make these points because reparations are loooooooooong over due. People who lived under Jim Crow are still alive today and people who experienced the horrors of slavery are only one or two generations before them. Also, that reparations are not a black/white issue. Rather, they are an attempt at achieving justice for enslaved people who were victimized by the U.S., Europe, several cornerstone industries, and even some African nations.

My dude... I wanna share this, do you have a Twitter handle? If not I'll @ your ResetEra handle. This is so succinctly put.
 

Surakian

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
10,895
That reads like "we let you have a black president. What more do you blacks want?"

Read "blacks " as the word you know most racist white people like to call us btw
 

thecouncil

Member
Oct 29, 2017
12,346
"We've tried to deal with..."

Failed miserably but let's just call it even anyway. Gave it a shot.
 

zero_suit

Member
Oct 27, 2017
12,579
I don't want to focus on the messenger here. We all know what he is. The message is central to this because it's how a lot of people feel. Not just people like McConnell either. Many young people believe that slavery is old and no one today should be held accountable. Others believe that Obama, civil rights, and affirmative action are all that's needed to atone for the crime against humanity that was the trans Atlantic slave trade.

So many fallacious arguments surround reparations. Firstly, the age of the crime is positioned as if it has a statute of limitations. Why doesn't this attitude apply to other things that are just as old, if not older? Why didn't he speak out against the confederate monuments or the people who were defending them? None of the people involved are still around right? Using the age of the end slavery as justification for invalidating attempts at meaningful justice is insultingly disingenuous.

Secondly, the "whose gonna pay for it" argument is also a superficial attempt at addressing reparations. It's obvious, to anyone who goes beyond the surface, that a large percentage of the wealth the U.S. has garnered comes directly from the free labor of slaves. That wealth hasn't been spent. It's been invested and distributed among the elites via tax breaks and subsidies.

The elites are the other prong in this two headed slavery monster. Many of the old banks that are still around today were providing financial services to slaveholders and slavery-based industries (cotton, sugar, tobacco, etc). So they should be held accountable and so should the other "old money" companies that amassed their wealth in/directly off the back of slaves.

Lastly, the point of "who are we going to pay" is also an attempt at being divisive and painting the descendants of slavery as unworthy of reparations. Enslaved people survived so that the generations after them could be free and to seek justice. Reparations are a part of fulfilling that justice. We owe it to our ancestors to get what they deserved. Critically, though, payment could come in many forms and from many sources (including European and maybe African nations). The U.S. could offer descendants of slavery tax breaks, U.S. bonds, or interest free business loans. Cash damages from the "old money" industries or other countries would likely have to come via the courts.

I just wanted to make these points because reparations are loooooooooong over due. People who lived under Jim Crow are still alive today and people who experienced the horrors of slavery are only one or two generations before them. Also, that reparations are not a black/white issue. Rather, they are an attempt at achieving justice for enslaved people who were victimized by the U.S., Europe, several cornerstone industries, and even some African nations.
Thank you for this.
 
Oct 30, 2017
8,706
What Mitch McConnell said here is probably largely what a lot of Americans think.

Reparations are hard. It's not clear how to compensate people. Nobody alive today owned slaves. We have made strides to grant people equal rights. Even a black man became President.

As shitty as Mitch McConnell is, I expected a worse take, really. His views probably aren't very far out of line with many Americans on reparations.
 

Opto

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
4,546
Hw much does turtle shell go for? we can sell his to start the fund
What Mitch McConnell said here is probably largely what a lot of Americans think.

Reparations are hard. It's not clear how to compensate people. Nobody alive today owned slaves. We have made strides to grant people equal rights. Even a black man became President.

As shitty as Mitch McConnell is, I expected a worse take, really. His views probably aren't very far out of line with many Americans on reparations.
Germany gives jewish people reparations. It would take time and research and yes, money, but it could be done. Mitch and his fucking party gave 0 strides in the past decades to give people equal rights.