Ghostbusters movie had both sexist backlash and a lot of real issues. None really the fault of the actresses though.
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Mo'nique - Netflix Lowballed My Negotiations 'Cause I'm a Black Woman
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The user said she hasn't done anything in more than a decade, thus I corrected them on that.
Not really. It was generally considered a solid film. RT ranks it much higher than the 1989 sequel with the original cast. I'm not seeing the hate for that film. It was pretty much all sexism by the same gamergate morons.
This is very obviously not true. The styles of the movies are so wildly different. One is much more subtle, dry comedy. The other is really in your face, almost slapstick. A lot of people that like the more subtle style of comedy did not like the newer Ghostbusters for totally legitimate reasons.
Ghostbusters II had its moments. All of them did, really. Going to watch em all again.
That's cute ignoring the rest of my statement cause you don't have an argument we're done here
lol I had to google her and I still don't know who she is.
She really should have taken the 500k. Seems overly generous even.
She really should have taken the 500k. Seems overly generous even.
Who are your favorite black female comedians you want to do Netflix specials?
And I'm arguing that it would serve an otherwise under served demographic.
You don't have to because, as far as I know, there aren't any. There may be one or two that I could've missed, but I've never seen any.
Mo'nique, Tiffany Haddish, Sommore, Lunell, Adele Givens (who I actually just found out is making a stop in my city soon, gonna have to go to that), Wanda Sykes, Sheryl Underwood, etc. Now you may not know most, or any, of these names. But trust and believe that black women do.
I am white. I guess that gives you the go-ahead to immediately dismiss my opinion.
Dont have an argument against your assumption.. show me proof they have all this data ? How do you know ? Wheres your employee card.? Are you their data analyst ? Show me the proof they specifically used their data to lowball Wanda. Whats cute is you did imply them hiding their data is bad by simply implying they hide their data, you got called out and now you are trying to switch the topic.
No I'm saying she is meant for a different demographic yet a lot can't seem to understand that
Doesn't dismiss your opinion but it more than likely explains why you have never heard of her. Her movies and comedy appeal to a black american demographic, especially black women. As do the names Zero315 just listed. When Netflix went after Sykes and Monique, it wasn't to appeal to you, the white male. It's to establish a presence for black women to find comedy that interests them. Same as when HBO went after Issa Rae (who I bet a ton of white people will say "who?") for a TV show.
Adele Givens is on Netflix I think. I didn't know who she was but I distinctly remember watching one of her sets. Mo'nique is now. Sounds like they tried for Sykes.
I at least recognize a picture of Lunell, but I don't recognize any of the others. Trying for 3/7 of them that we know of isn't terrible. I guess they can keep trying to improve.
I mean, she's just irrelevant. Her being lowballed has nothing to do with her being a POC.
I don't think Brenden Fraiser would get a high offer either nowadays lol
Netflix will never publicize viewing data because it doesn't have to.
Amazon is always an option. And that could easily be used to justify bigger numbers. Mo'Nique published her 2016 special on Amazon Video. If she was pulling in $2-3 million for that, why not just do it again? More importantly, why not use those sales numbers in negotiation? On the flip side, if that 2016 special didn't do well in sales, then that's going to hurt her case for more money.
Mo'nique and possibly Adele have material on Netflix as part of Shaq's All-Star Comedy Jam, which is not the same as having a Netflix produced original comedy special.
Since her demographic is so specific it only strengthens paying her less because she has a niche market
ahhh, I see. I knew I recognized her from somewhere. I enjoyed her set, pretty funny.
She has a recurring role in Blackish so it's already significantly better than the 'Precious' girl.
is that supposed to be a bad thing? Seems like pretty basic business sense to me.
That's pretty insulting to Black people. Her schtick is literally her weight and has been for almost twenty years.. and obesity is no laughing matter.
That doesn't always translate.
Issa Rae's show Insecure appeals to black women, so it could be considered a "niche market" but it has better ratings than Lena Dunahm's Girls, which was supposed to appeal to all girls. Don't underestimate how passionate a black audience is about their media. They bring in numbers.
1. Black women are not a niche market.
2. Black people are not the only people who watch black people on screen.
Lol I get it you hate her Idc we done talking, get over your issues and her comedy ain't just about her weight and comedy is subjective
You're implying that she would be watched due to her blackness as opposed to her talent.
I have yet to see a Mo'Nique fan in this thread
Did I say it was but they can certainly use it to not pay someone more don't misconstruct my statements
Well I'm off to work I'll reply to any that does so to me in a few hours behave ppl
No I'm not. I'm replying to a post suggesting that her only appeal is the black market, which in turn is making that implication. Maybe reply to that post instead *shrug*
Also, I quite like Mo'Nique. I am not a fan, though you would be hardpressed to find actors or actress of whom I am a fan. Question though, did you read every post and do a careful analysis of their contents?
Yes you did , in the context of them hiding data is used to lowball celebrities
No, but if you look at the age of modern entertainment.. A very substantial portion of those comedians were black
Sammy Davis Jr
Redd Foxx
Bill Cosby (I'm not saying you have to like him but he was damn funny.)
Richard Pryor
Eddie Murphy
Dave Chapelle
IIRC they were all black and very much the best there has ever been.
Mo'Nique is just making excuses for her own mediocrity.
To be fair, she is talking about being a black woman, that is key to her entire arguement. All of the people you mentioned were black men.
If Netflix believed she would be popular enough they would offer her more money.
Both her special and chapelles are investments. They want a return on those.
So what's the problem? By your own admission Netflix did this so they could pay bigger names more money. Mo'nique isn't big enough to command more money from them. That's pretty much all there is to it.
and have white women had the talent or success in comedy that those men have had?
No she was offered it by Netflix.
What she and her agent wanted is unknown.
But whatever it was - Netflix didn't think they make back a profit on it.
Perhaps, but that also does not suggest that Netflix's assessment that she would not be worth that money.
I'm probably not in the right place to talk but $500k seems like a great payoff for a comedy special
That's fair. I apologize for coming off as reactionary. My comments have more to do with Mo'Nique specifically rather than POC in general.
Forgot to finish it, sorry. I meant that their assessment may not necessarily be free from bias or simple error. It's certainly not like there isn't a common bias in making these determinations in the industry.
I'm a fan. Her turn to dramatic acting was great, her stand up was pretty good, and I loved her on Moesha and The Parkers.
Idk. I just think that a half a mil for a comedy special is great money for her. Especially since she really isn't that relevant anymore.
Black women have it just about the worst in the U.S.
White man
White woman
Black man
Black woman
You can add Hispanics somewhere below White Woman.
To say a white woman and black men get paid takes away her argument is ridiculous.