it's kind of a tragedy (or ironic a la Palaptine?) that the titty rabbit is being posted as exhibit A for xenoblade 2 problematicity when it exists because they gave free reign to a female artist
Mr. Sakurai Presents "Pyra/Mythra" March 4th
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I actually wonder how many people who have posted that blade as evidence realize this.
one may be less but i wouldn't say two started the whole male gaze thing i mean, not after x and they way they introduce goetia
and so many of the xeno's outfits are as bad as the blades in two outside of dahlia, so one may have not been as bad but x is very much similar and as or almost as bad
to be clear I'm not using that to imply it's an ok design because a woman made it as it's still possible for a woman to be sexist and all (the entire fucking Rance series is entirely made by women), I'm just wondering over the sheer oddity of the situation
The devs told her "design whatever you want as a character" and she deliberately came up with that and they just okeyed it
yes, the same artist that made the little girl with the polar bear/rabbit
I know you are not. It is just when designs like that come up, lots of people assume it was from a man. I am not okay with Dahlia's design either to be honest.
If that's what the artist likes then that's what she likes. Idc. It's just a little too much for Xenoblade.
I hated most of XC2 designs anyway, even the non-sexist ones, but I'm still happy to see these two characters in Smash.
Can't wait to watch it again when I get home for the full experience instead of quietly in the lunchroom
You'd imagine Xenoblade 3 will be done more in house and Takahashi won't let everyone be so free with their designs.
Sakurai has always demonstrated impeccable taste, so this should have been obvious from the get-go.
The game kinda pushes you pretty hard in that direction, imo. In the context of the story picking Mythra doesn't make as much sense.
It's one of the reasons I like the 1-7 Torna 8-10 play order. Makes the decision a lot more complicated.
Yo the Pyra/Mythra color swap look so good in this. The added bits between the 2 with the stocking and what not really add a lot.
...Mythra is the better combatant was how I put my deciding vote lol
(Pyra is a sweeter lady tho, Mythra's tsun-tendencies were exhausting)
unless you play torna, then well you will feel bad picking pyra
I mean, I picked Mythra because "that's her original personality" but I regretted it because the decision is meant to be who REX would pick and the game doesn't really set up Rex to pick Mythra over Pyra. Torna wouldn't factor into his decision.
I guess that is in fact a very detailed shoe thing, but I'm still not convinced that comment was not Sakurai being euphemistic.Regarding the "bottoms of feet" comment it was a detail that Goodsmile put a lot of focus on. I remember people joking about it when the figure was announced.
Did it actually change anything??
Rex gets both his waifus in the end, so I felt the question was moot by the final cutscene...
I know Alicesoft has at least some female staff but I find this incredibly hard to believe though I have no actual knowledge on the subject. Are TADA or Orion women?
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Yes
It changes which one he refers to them as in cutscenes and other dialogue and the ending changes based on which one you pick. The camera focuses on Pyra or Mythra as the final shot.
Eh. Okay so nothing too major. I like the little Lost in Translation moment though.
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Please don't use "female artist" to justify that excessively pandering design. The woman who designed it was not stupid and knewthe game's target audience, thus the egregious design of the titty bunny.
Honestly, Dahlia gets picked on too much. You'd think she was the only bad Blade design in the game but there's no shortage of examples to choose from. One of my favorite Blades was Newt. I couldn't have her in the party if someone was watching me play the game.
Yes, X also has fanservice and there are some character that embody it more than others - I haven't denied this. That clip is absolutely male gaze but compared to the many cutscenes in which Pyra, Mythra, Poppi, Brighid, etc. are framed in the male gaze throughout the entire game, including the Blade awakening scenes, it's not really comparable. How many times is Pyra's ass in the center of the frame?
Fanservice in Xenoblade 1 and X tend to just exist in the character designs and sometimes in the camera work as you showed but 2 likes to call attention to it and play with it. Sharla may have big boobs but the game never felt the need to have Sharla sleepwalk into Reyn's tent and rub her boobs against him. Xenoblade X may have some bad outfits for female xenos but it never felt the need to have a scene where the female characters get in a hot tub and comment on each others bodies. It doesn't have a gameplay system adopting from popular waifu collecting mobile games. Tatsu is an annoying potato but at least he doesn't have a maid fetish. I look at Tora and feel he'd probably get some sick pleasure from being eaten by a cute girl. Anti-Tatsu if I ever saw one - ironically Tora is Tatsu's rival in X. Hmmm...
Again, I'm not denying that the first two Xenoblade games had fanservice - I just don't understand why people are pretending like they can't see the shift in how fanservice was handled in 2 and how it kicked it up several notches. I mean, there has to be an explanation for why the reaction to 2's designs has been so explosive in comparison to 1 and X. And I'm not just talking about negative responses to the fanservice but positive ones too. Do you think people are just making stuff up?
Yes, X also has fanservice and there are some character that embody it more than others - I haven't denied this. That clip is absolutely male gaze but compared to the many cutscenes in which Pyra, Mythra, Poppi, Brighid, etc. are framed in the male gaze throughout the entire game, including the Blade awakening scenes, it's not really comparable. How many times is Pyra's ass in the center of the frame?
Fanservice in Xenoblade 1 and X tend to just exist in the character designs and sometimes in the camera work as you showed but 2 likes to call attention to it and play with it. Sharla may have big boobs but the game never felt the need to have Sharla sleepwalk into Reyn's tent and rub her boobs against him. Xenoblade X may have some bad outfits for female xenos but it never felt the need to have a scene where the female characters get in a hot tub and comment on each others bodies. It doesn't have a gameplay system adopting from popular waifu collecting mobile games. Tatsu is an annoying potato but at least he doesn't have a maid fetish. I look at Tora and feel he'd probably get some sick pleasure from being eaten by a cute girl. Anti-Tatsu if I ever saw one - ironically Tora is Tatsu's rival in X. Hmmm...
Again, I'm not denying that the first two Xenoblade games had fanservice - I just don't understand why people are pretending like they can't see the shift in how fanservice was handled in 2 and how it kicked it up several notches. I mean, there has to be an explanation for why the reaction to 2's designs has been so explosive in comparison to 1 and X. And I'm not just talking about negative responses to the fanservice but positive ones too. Do you think people are just making stuff up?
Tho who does it pander to*? I don't know or see anyone really liking it design wise
Well I learned something today.
I went back to check, the lead writer of the first 7 games and defined the character is a woman called Tori. Now I guess the entire saff being women is hyperbole, but you get the idea.
Okay, but isn't that poster's point less "it was a woman" and more "it was a woman who was given freedom to make the design however she wanted to and still choose to do it like this". Is the artist wrong for enjoying this sort of design? Is it really pandering if she actually likes it?
A lot of women can be sexist and the artist liking it does not make the design less sexist or pandering to people who enjoy the overtly exaggerated non-physics obeying titty designs.
I'm pretty sure that's wrong. Everything I remember reading attributes the original concepts of the characters and story to TADA. And checking VNDB Tori was only the scenario writer on 6-7.
The bottoms of feet are often pretty hard to get a close look at in video games, but they're still something the Smash team has to get right.
His double insistence on preferring Pyra for combat was way weirder lol
I have to partially disagree. Sexualized designs are NOT inherently bad without context, and the problem of it is related to how these sorts of choices stop designs that don't conform to that sort of pandering from being more prevalent. It's all about there not being enough variety and representation on media because of corporate interests. If this artist and others were given this sort of freedom to make their designs more frequently and the result was less sexualized designs becoming more frequent then I would be all for it. If anything, more developers should allow more diverse creators choose to make their art however they want, even if some of the results were still pandering.
As an anecdote, my adolescent daughter loves characters with big boobs. When she's playing a game with a character creator, she'll slide the bust up to max.
I was weirded out by this at first. My wife said it's a girl thing to like boobs but they grow out of it as society tells them that boobs are for the enjoyment of men and not women, or at least that was her experience growing up. Maybe the bunny blade artist really did just like boobs.
I was weirded out by this at first. My wife said it's a girl thing to like boobs but they grow out of it as society tells them that boobs are for the enjoyment of men and not women, or at least that was her experience growing up. Maybe the bunny blade artist really did just like boobs.
Broken controls and difficulty based on how hard is to get from Point A to Point B? I would rather have another JRPG tbh.
He was talking about who he preferred as a fighter, but yeah he was definitely alluding to that.
Yes, very few folks know about this.
The artist is Risa Ebata.
Risa Ebata
Risa Ebata (江端 里沙, Ebata Risa) is a Japanese female animator, original painter, and illustrator who works for Satelight. She used to go under the alias, Komusume, Ehime Mikan, and Ahime Mikan. She also used the nickname Sai Tamako, however she has since adopted the name Risa Ebata in 2007. After...
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Xenoblade 2 is worse at fanservice, but generally better at making characters have actual agency and purpose. And not get thrown to the back of the story.
Sharla's entire character trope is all about a dude and then she kind of moves onto another dude. Melia gets her entire story thrown to the side. And most of Fiora just revolves around Shulk. It's why I end up enjoying XBC2 characters more. They actually get to do things in cutscenes too unlike XBC1 where every cutscene revolves around Shulk.
Sharla's entire character trope is all about a dude and then she kind of moves onto another dude. Melia gets her entire story thrown to the side. And most of Fiora just revolves around Shulk. It's why I end up enjoying XBC2 characters more. They actually get to do things in cutscenes too unlike XBC1 where every cutscene revolves around Shulk.
this is so true
for example Pyra, Mythra and Poppi get a lot of moments for themselves and their relation that cap it of to a solid gut punch
or dare I say a below belt