How does an impeachment that does nothing to change the status quo at all (and if anything makes any future accountability much more difficult) hold Trump accountable. And saying that republicans are ignoring Trump's corruption achieves nothing, because everyone who would be receptive to such an arguement IS ALREADY AGAINST TRUMP. All you're doing is giving republican's more fuel for their own narrative
The Dems can't hold him accountable right now though. An impeachment attempt that does not result in any negative consequences for the wrong doer is not actually accountability, and it's no different than just saying Trump is corrupt, unfit for office, a liar etc, things that the Dems are already doing. Except that doing it with impeachment runs the serious risk of bolstering his base to a very high degree
Fair enough. But it just seems really odd to go about criticizing someone for trying to get people to be reasonable. Like, you can disagree, but why specifically the woke condescending bullshit? Why do you have to declare it's "sad, but funny" as if you know anymore than anyone else here? You honestly really don't. We're all kind of guessing at best what the right approach should be. It might feel good to yell about impeachment, but the reality is that there is no way for it to happen right now.
This Obama drone strike hatred has turned into a meme at this point.
Because the base is pretty tapped out. We need to continue doing what led to 2018's success. Making gains outside of the far left and electing moderates in red areas. Pelosi immediately throwing those gains away because of threats to turn blue areas bluer would be complete and utter waste.
Whether they're serious or not doesn't matter if the voter base who are either undecided or lean repub but may or may not vote don't think there's the evidence to justify impeachment
Yep. In the first place the portion of the public who actually cares enough about the information that already exists (whether said info is public or not) is already against Trump
Then removing him from office via impeachment is impossible and attempting to do so would only be harmful and as such we should be focusing on a battle we actually can win
The reality is that you literally can't hold a sitting president accountable without either bipartisan support or both control of the house and a 2/3 majority in senate. It's not a matter of what you want
So you want to engage in a losing battle, and then go in further and attack the public for it thus ensuring you lose a winnable battle in 2020, got it. The only people such appeals would resonate with are people who are ALREADY VEHEMENTLY ANTI TRUMP. You make literally no gains and only ensure losses with your strategy
Live footage of Nancy Pelosi discussing the Democrats strategy plans
The people on the fence are going to see it as a power move unless the evidence is overwhelming. People who can be swayed by the evidence that already exists already support the democrats. The media and the democratic party are already constantly slamming Trump's corruption and showing tons of evidence. Anyone who hasn't already been swayed by the existing logical arguements isn't going to be swayed by the same arguements laid out in an impeachment trial. And it would also energize people who already support Trump but might not otherwise care enough to vote
This is a recipe for losing the 2020 presidential race and almost certainly giving up potential control of the senate. What matters more, standing for principles of accountability in government or having the power to actually make that accountability a reality? You can't do both without risking losing the other and the consequences of losing the presidency again or not gaining the senate are incredibly dire
An impeachment process is insanely debilitating for the entire country. I would argue that it's not worth it even when you're sure they're getting the guy out of there. It most definitely isn't worth it just to make a statement - particularly so when literally nothing will stop the GOP base from continuing to vote for their candidate.
Which base? You know the white supremacists will come out in droves but will the youngings as well?
It doesn't matter if they're different scenarios if the general public doesn't see it that way. Democratic voters would obviously agree, but anyone who's not already leaning democrat probably doesn't see the two scenarios any differently because they don't think the evidence is strong enough or the crimes important enough to merit impeachment. In a democracy, what matters is public perception, not reality
You are incredibly naive about just how divided and partisan the voting American populace is. We're talking about completely different perceptions of reality here.
Yes but she didn't point that out. Thus it's a terrible response.
