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Naughty Dog Devs Explain that Friendly Competition With Other Sony Studios Helps them Improve | Twinfinite
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Sucker Punch must really feel like they have a lot to prove in comparison to Naughty Dog and Santa Monica
Why will Bend "need it"??
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Yep we've heard similar things before. It's why their first party games are so good. They all talk to each other and share knowledge and techniques with each other. That just lets them all make better games because of it.
After Horizon, Guerilla are a top tier studio.
Horizon is the best open world game i have ever played, it was fun from start to finish.
This is why having these big flagship first party studios is so important. We hear the same thing with Nintendo and Monolith helping with Zelda.
I don't think it looks generic. I just think it lacks something to set it apart.
But i'll but it ayway.
This reminds me of the screen tearing issue in the original Uncharted and how ND ultimately learned to fix it
https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/04/rising-to-greatness-the-history-of-naughty-dog?page=15
You can really tell that Sony studios are very connected by just playing their games. I recall GG talking about how ND helped them with snow effects in Killzone 3 or how Santa Monica got help from both ND and GG with some tech issues in God of War, not to mention the Kojima (not 1st party, but still) using GG engine. This cooperation also influences their game design. The Lake of Nine for God of War felt like a much more fleshed out Uncharted open area chapter with the boat stories being similar to the jeep conversations, same with the segway conversations when you interrupt and resume conversations. They build upon the positives while also helping each other out in a very friendly competitive manner. Some people may see this as a negative (all sony games are the same meme) but I see it as a great positive.
The thing they need to fix is the linear structure of the game. Open up these levels a bit and please make combat areas not obvious.
This is what I mean:
Walking into these area you would know there is going to be combat and this turns the game which is aiming to look realistic very gamey looking and breaks immersion.
I played the first game for the combat because I didn't care about the story or characters so I decided it is the closest thing to a Manhunt clone which was a good thing so I hope the fix that.
Both games are going for different experience while sharing similiar settings.
This is what I mean:
Walking into these area you would know there is going to be combat and this turns the game which is aiming to look realistic very gamey looking and breaks immersion.
I played the first game for the combat because I didn't care about the story or characters so I decided it is the closest thing to a Manhunt clone which was a good thing so I hope the fix that.
Need what exactly?
Both games are going for different experience while sharing similiar settings.
I cannot wait to see what Sonys first studios can do with some beefier hardware. God of war, Uncharted 4 and HZD looks insanly good on a 1,2 tf machine, what will they look like on a 10tf machine???
I think Bend are going to see quite some success with Days Gone.
It will be their most successful release by far.
I read that Days Gone has still some technical issues like a bad framerate.
You mean 1.8?
And yes, it'll be nice to see what they can do next gen.
The similarities are subtle, but i'm sure Sony's studios get similar inspiration from playing third party games as well. You can see a lot of the same commonalities if you look at games like GTA, AC, RDR etc..
Man no hot take that one of them should discover something other than the third person viewpoint? /s
Anyway good way to raise the floor within the first parties and have the lesser known devs have a far better chance to surprise us.
I would be very interested how they all work with MM as they seem to be far more experimental.
ps3ud0 8)
Anyway good way to raise the floor within the first parties and have the lesser known devs have a far better chance to surprise us.
I would be very interested how they all work with MM as they seem to be far more experimental.
ps3ud0 8)
Rare had something similar going on internally back in the late SNES - N64 days. Competition is a very important part of becoming better yourself and it also shows with Sony's 1st party Devs.
You've got to wonder how much influence in the game development process the Director of Communications (PR Guy) has.
Not much is my guess.
Not much is my guess.
Then why didn't they get the excellent and superb motion blur tech from Insomniac but instead they are still using their old flawed motion blur from Uncharted 4 which causes heavy ghosting and artefacts in TLOU2 or at least improve their own one?
'poor Bend', really?
Just remember, people used to shit talk Guerilla Games just the same - at least give Bend the benefit of the doubt. They've made some great games.
Oh, but i will. I'll buy the game and support another SP game from Sony. Love Sony's approach to videogames: SP first
I'm just not expecting it to be on par with previous PlayStation exclusives.
Heavy ghosting and artifacts in TLOU2? You got receipts for those partner?
It has been proved a long time ago since the gameplay reveal from E3. They didn't improve on the Uncharted 4 flawed motion blur sadly: https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...trailer-analysis-nx-gamer.49062/#post-9236979
Errr you realize that was an Alpha build right? It's kinda silly to see that and automatically assume that ND doesn't know about it or won't do anything to fix it almost 2 years later. I understand the concern, but I don't feel it's warranted.
I hope so but better we highlight this and not get over defensive about it eventhough the game is sublime in every aspect but there is a tangible problem right now and it just hinders the whole package, so the more we get aware of of such problems the more chances ND realize they have to correct them before release. that is the benefit of highliting bugs or problems before release, there would be plenty of time to solve them, but after release, it would be almost impossible.
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Oh I didn't know that a ND dev is in ERA. That is nice to know. Yeah I would really like to know the outcome of this matter in the current time.
Call me crazy but GOW had better story telling than any Naughty Dog game imo.
Last of Us might be a better story, but GOW's storytelling is better.
Last of Us might be a better story, but GOW's storytelling is better.
Yeah they actually talked about that at E3, so should hopefully be less of an issue in the next game.The thing they need to fix is the linear structure of the game. Open up these levels a bit and please make combat areas not obvious.
This is what I mean:
Walking into these area you would know there is going to be combat and this turns the game which is aiming to look realistic very gamey looking and breaks immersion.
I played the first game for the combat because I didn't care about the story or characters so I decided it is the closest thing to a Manhunt clone which was a good thing so I hope the fix that.
Honestly, it's not doing much for me, but I'll still be buying it because it's pretty much in my wheel house (which is usually classic arcade of cinematic 3P) for setting and theme. Just a bit worried about the survival stuff, I hate busy work and conserving ammo.
That's great.
The level design was honestly my biggest issue. The combat was awesome so that combined with better level design make for an instant masterpiece.
They added an option to deactivate the motion blur in UC4. At least there is that.
I also will be buying Days Gone on Day 1. I'm not going into it with expectations that it will be anything more than a good, fun game but I hope to be surprised. There is certainly room for an open world narrative driven zombie like game. There aren't exactly a lot of those out there. I had hoped State of Decay 2 would have been something more when they announced it than what it turned out to be so this is the next closest thing to what I was looking for.
Really interesting read, with all these new studios hopefully similar things will happen with Microsoft's 1st party in the future, I know in the past they've done tech sharing with things like the SoT water but now they have more studios hopefully this'll start to happen on a wider scale.
