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excelsiorlef

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The entire article treats this situation as cute comedy and political entertainment, well and just stenographing DeSantis' spin on human trafficking

The White House and the Delaware governor's office were ready. So were the news media and political onlookers.

Everyone who gathered Tuesday at a small airport in Georgetown, Delaware, near President Joe Biden's home, was waiting in anticipation of a planeload of migrants to be flown from San Antonio as part of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' program to send a message about illegal immigration.

But by late Tuesday, no plane had arrived. Instead, it landed in Teterboro, New Jersey, just outside New York City, where Biden was in town for the annual U.N. General Assembly meeting.

No migrants were aboard the plane.

Earlier in the day, DeSantis stoked the coals of speculation by declining to confirm or deny whether the plane would even take off — his administration later refused to say if the plane that landed in New Jersey was part of his program to relocate migrants — in an intentional effort to keep the issue alive, said a source familiar with the governor's thinking who discussed the plans anonymously to speak candidly.

"He didn't tell anyone and purposely left people in the dark. So technically the media, the Democrats, everyone got punked who decided to heed some s--- on Twitter instead of waiting for confirmation from the governor's office," the source said. "The entire point of this is to put a spotlight on the border. It's what the governor has said."
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The "Waiting for Godot"-like spectacle Tuesday highlighted the intractable politics around immigration, as well as DeSantis' knack for getting headlines and positioning himself to challenge Biden in 2024. While Abbott was the first GOP governor to send migrants to so-called sanctuary cities and states, DeSantis has gotten far more coverage of his new program — even though the migrants who landed in Martha's Vineyard boarded the planes in Abbott's state.

They pay lip service to the truth but it's wedged in the middle of nonsense, they open with DeSantis' pov, and they close with it too:

DeSantis has repeatedly said Florida's relocation program is humane. He and his administration said that the migrants flown out of Texas went voluntarily and that they had been found homeless and hungry but were fed and housed by Florida taxpayers for at least a day before they boarded the planes to Martha's Vineyard.

At the airport in Delaware, the political drama drew a flood of media and a few Republican voters who came to support DeSantis and criticize Biden and Democrats.

"If you say you're a sanctuary state, then don't complain. Biden's house is not so far away from here. We should park a few on his street," said Kenneth Cook, 54, a Delaware resident who voted for former President Donald Trump in 2020.

"I don't like how there's all this talk about it being immoral," he said. "I thought we were all in this together. Share in the pain — whether you're president, God or anyone else."

Absolutely monstrous coverage

www.nbcnews.com

DeSantis keeps White House, Delaware and media guessing on migrant flight plans

A flight initially bound for Delaware on Tuesday was rerouted to New Jersey.

Punked

They went with punked

Get fucked NBC
 

StraySheep

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It's a quote from someone they interviewed in the article. I think there's a hundred better choices but it's not like they came up with the analogy.

What I was actually disgusted with was the garbage coverage on CNN by Smerconish or whatever his name is a couple days back.
 

Skyscourge

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I read the entire article, there is nothing like the framing you're describing. Are you mad just at the use of the word "punked"?
Edit: In fact, it is pretty much directly recounting how Desantis and his communique are representing the situation. This is not NBC's framing.
 
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It's a quote from someone they interviewed in the article. I think there's a hundred better choices but it's not like they came up with the analogy.

What I was actually disgusted with was the garbage coverage on CNN by Smerconish or whatever his name is a couple days back.
They don't have to print those quotes

They don't have to just regurgitate DeSantis

They don't have to compare it to Waiting for Godot

They certainly don't have to make it their headline
 

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Republicans have been working the refs in media for decades. No matter how despicable they act, the press isn't going to drop the veneer or objectivity. And what happens is these reporters twist themselves into knots coming up with neutral ways to describe evil, which naturally softens the impact for the audience! Cannot blame someone learning about this event through this article interpreting it through a "both sides kind of have a point..." because that's the framing the media uses, and it is ALWAYS to the advantage of the Republicans.
 
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excelsiorlef

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I read the entire article, there is nothing like the framing you're describing. Are you mad just at the use of the word "punked"?
Edit: In fact, it is pretty much directly recounting how Desantis and his communique are representing the situation. This is not NBC's framing.

They're just stenographing

And then packaging it up with a inhumane headline that tips the hat to how they see this, as jokes, as entertaining, as ratings

It's absolutely relevant that they bury the truth in the middle in between just DeSantis says he's a saint quotes and close it out with some idiot maga local dumbass they found probably for the expressed purpose of closing their article with it.

Imagine if this was about a rainstorm and the weather report was sandwiched in between lengthy shit about people saying water isn't real, with a headline tacitly supporting that and with and end quote from a rando saying water is a conspiracy to make you gay.

And it's not like I'm alone in seeing this as inhuman

Here's a Vox Reporter


View: https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1572416832476450817?t=4FUBvJPViLiXVYAhlQOc6w&s=19
 
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Skyscourge

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They're just stenographing

And then packaging it up with a inhumane headline that tips the hat to how they see this, as jokes, as entertaining, as ratings

It's absolutely relevant that they bury the truth in the middle in between just DeSantis says he's a saint quotes and close it out with some idiot maga local dumbass they found probably for the express purpose of closing their article with it.

Imagine if this was about a rainstorm and the weather report was sandwiched in between lengthy shit about people saying water isn't real, with a headline tacitly supporting that and with and end quote from a rando saying water is a conspiracy to make you gay.
This isn't an editorial and there is barely any opinion from the authors, it's a pretty straight recounting of the matter with official communications. There is no truth that has been buried, obfuscated or made otherwise unclear.
This is an absolutely accurate headline about how Desantis is treating the situation, there is no way to frame this as this is how the authors of the article see the situation. I don't see how any reasonable person who reads this article comes away with the conclusion that NBC is somehow supportive of this maneuver.
 

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The media constantly treats abuses of power and acts of cruelty by Republicans as tit-for-tat political gamesmanship, because they have no skin in the game. It's why political reporters and news orgs are most incensed when a reporter comes under fire from a politician or an administration; it's the only time they are directly affected, so things like Jim Acosta being name called by Trump are treated as crimes against humanity.
 
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excelsiorlef

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This isn't an editorial and there is barely any opinion from the authors, it's a pretty straight recounting of the matter with official communications. There is no truth that has been buried, obfuscated or made otherwise unclear.
This is an absolutely accurate headline about how Desantis is treating the situation, there is no way to frame this as this is how the authors of the article see the situation. I don't see how any reasonable person who reads this article comes away with the conclusion that NBC is somehow supportive of this maneuver.

It's abjectly horrific headline

And i don't know how you can think this article is not at best absolutely indifferent to it.

It presents the whole thing as a show

Waiting for Godot wasn't a quote that was them

The headline is on them

If DeSantis starts calling trans people predators and nbc runs stories on illegal arrests of trans folk in Florida with the headline To Catch a Predator you gonna call that fair?
 

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They're just stenographing

And then packaging it up with a inhumane headline that tips the hat to how they see this, as jokes, as entertaining, as ratings

It's absolutely relevant that they bury the truth in the middle in between just DeSantis says he's a saint quotes and close it out with some idiot maga local dumbass they found probably for the expressed purpose of closing their article with it.

Imagine if this was about a rainstorm and the weather report was sandwiched in between lengthy shit about people saying water isn't real, with a headline tacitly supporting that and with and end quote from a rando saying water is a conspiracy to make you gay.

And it's not like I'm alone in seeing this as inhuman

Here's a Vox Reporter


View: https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1572416832476450817?t=4FUBvJPViLiXVYAhlQOc6w&s=19


That's the whole point of a news article, which you constantly seem to be unable to differentiate from an opinion piece.
There you go, an opinion piece published by NBC News shitting all over De Santis:
www.nbcnews.com

Opinion | DeSantis has doubled down on a scheme rooted in white supremacy

Unlike New York City or D.C., the island is isolated. It's not easy to jump on public transportation and leave, making it more difficult for a marginalized community.

And of course you found out about this from someone being mad on twitter.
 

Skyscourge

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It's abjectly horrific headline

And i don't know how you can think this article is not at best absolutely indifferent to it.

It presents the whole thing as a show

Waiting for Godot wasn't a quote that was them

The headline is on them
This whole thing is a show put up by Desantis, a ridiculous farce using human beings as chess pieces. Nothing in the NBC article supports his actions. If you're wanting them to offer moral condemnation in the article itself, I'm sure there are plenty of editorials out there that do so. The news is supposed to be indifferent, that's the point.
 
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excelsiorlef

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This whole thing is a show put up by Desantis, a ridiculous farce using human beings as chess pieces. Nothing in the NBC article supports his actions. If you're wanting them to offer moral condemnation in the article itself, I'm sure there are plenty of editorials out there that do so. The news is supposed to be indifferent, that's the point.

The news isn't supposed to be indifferent
 

collige

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The headline is distateful for sure, but I think it's symptomatic of the root issue here which is treating US politicians and their aides as the "main characters" of this entire debacle instead of the actual migrants being affected by DeSantis' bullshit. The closest thing we have to a quote from any of them is a statement from their lawyers, way at the end of the article before they "balanced" it with a quote from some random Trump voter.
 

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That's the whole point of a news article, which you constantly seem to be unable to differentiate from an opinion piece.
There you go, an opinion piece published by NBC News shitting all over De Santis:
www.nbcnews.com

Opinion | DeSantis has doubled down on a scheme rooted in white supremacy

Unlike New York City or D.C., the island is isolated. It's not easy to jump on public transportation and leave, making it more difficult for a marginalized community.

And of course you found out about this from someone being mad on twitter.

The headline and framing of a news article influences how the general public absorbs said news; opinion pieces reach just a fraction of the audience compared to the headline news tweets & broadcasts.

It is not "indifference" to frame a news headline from the POV of one of the subjects of the article. In this instance it's no different than the passive language copaganda headlines that refer to "officer involved shootings" with the exact framing provided by law enforcement PR. It's a choice by editorial to tell the story from that perspective.

Framing this story as either a mischievous or savvy political maneuver, rather than from the POV of the displaced and defrauded asylum seekers who have been placed in genuine legal jeopardy to be deported by two US governors and willing DHS agents, is itself a choice that we in the West internalize as normal everyday discourse. It is in no way objective.
 

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Some people like pranks like a whoopie cushion under your seat and some people like the good old fashioned prank of human trafficking.

But you're not wrong OP. It's pretty damn shitty.
 
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The headline and framing of a news article influences how the general public absorbs said news; opinion pieces reach just a fraction of the audience compared to the headline news tweets & broadcasts.

It is not "indifference" to frame a news headline from the POV of one of the subjects of the article. In this instance it's no different than the passive language copaganda headlines that refer to "officer involved shootings" with the exact framing provided by law enforcement PR. It's a choice by editorial to tell the story from that perspective.

Framing this story as either a mischievous or savvy political maneuver, rather than from the POV of the displaced and defrauded asylum seekers who have been placed in genuine legal jeopardy to be deported by two US governors and willing DHS agents, is itself a choice that we in the West internalize as normal everyday discourse. It is in no way objective.

It'd be like framing a Transphobic rant from elected officials (with a meandering middle section in favor of trans people) with a headline like:

To Catch a Predator: DeSantis Takes a Hardline against Trans Groomers to Protect Children and Adult Human Females
 

CthulhuSars

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The news isn't supposed to be indifferent

The news is 100% supposed to be unbiased and indifferent. Editorials and opinion pieces are the places to have the emotional arguments. The question of a headline of course can be taken into account as headlines have become more blatantly biased in some cases. using quotes from his camp, the opposition to what is happening and everything else has to be printed as stated so it comes off as soundbite wars in the print. Journalists have to muck around the soundbites with simple questions that do not allow for tangents. That is an art that has been lost for quite some time as blogging has taken over what reporting used to be.
 
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The news is 100% supposed to be unbiased and indifferent. Editorials and opinion pieces are the places to have the emotional arguments. The question of a headline of course can be taken into account as headlines have become more blatantly biased in some cases. using quotes from his camp, the opposition to what is happening and everything else has to be printed as stated so it comes off as soundbite wars in the print. Journalists have to muck around the soundbites with simple questions that do not allow for tangents. That is an art that has been lost for quite some time as blogging has taken over what reporting used to be.

Unbias (which is impossible tbh) is not indifferent.

Indifferent would mean not caring about facts. Which is exactly how you just end up with the mainstream corporate press doing the GOP's laundry

Ironically it's the facts that make them do this. Reality and truth is so tilted against the GOP that to report on them and their fiction unbiased gets them accused of bias so they tilt shit, they soft speak Republicans and hard speak Democrats. They frame "journalist articles" like this one with DeSantis' speak, hiding the truth in between the bullshit (bullshit not presented as bullshit despite it factually being bullshit), finding absolute random maga dorks to quote for no fucking reason to end their piece
 

CthulhuSars

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Unbias (which is impossible tbh) is not indifferent.

Indifferent would mean not caring about facts. Which is exactly how you just end up with the mainstream corporate press doing the GOP's laundry

Ironically it's the facts that make them do this. Reality and truth is so tilted against the GOP that to report on them and their fiction unbiased gets them accused of bias so they tilt shit, they soft speak Republicans and hard speak Democrats. They frame "journalist articles" like this one with DeSantis' speak, hiding the truth in between the bullshit (bullshit not presented as bullshit despite it factually being bullshit), finding absolute random maga dorks to quote for no fucking reason to end their piece

I can see that and I appreciate you pointing that out. Coming from a hard journalism background late 90's I look at the landscape now and I am lost at how media especially print media got to this point on handling reporting. News organizations want to make everything a race or a war and it really has had a negative impact on industry standards trickling out to readership.
 

Skyscourge

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The headline and framing of a news article influences how the general public absorbs said news; opinion pieces reach just a fraction of the audience compared to the headline news tweets & broadcasts.

It is not "indifference" to frame a news headline from the POV of one of the subjects of the article. In this instance it's no different than the passive language copaganda headlines that refer to "officer involved shootings" with the exact framing provided by law enforcement PR. It's a choice by editorial to tell the story from that perspective.

Framing this story as either a mischievous or savvy political maneuver, rather than from the POV of the displaced and defrauded asylum seekers who have been placed in genuine legal jeopardy to be deported by two US governors and willing DHS agents, is itself a choice that we in the West internalize as normal everyday discourse. It is in no way objective.
There are two other articles on the front page of the NBC website about the lawsuits that the migrants have lobbied against Desantis. There is no one sided coverage from what I have seen from other reasonable news organizations.
The article presents these maneuvers as saavy from Desantis part is because his actions are publicity stunts. It follows up with a quote from the WH press-sec saying that this is all political theater and he is pulling a stunt. I don't see how any reasonable person reads this and comes away thinking that this is a good thing.
If you want to argue that headlines and articles should accurately represent the situation, then I think most people would agree. If you want headlines and it's attached news articles to always frame the situation in way that present clear moral condemnation, or to only ever present one aspect of a situation involving many actors, then I just don't agree that should be what news is. It shouldn't be on the news to tailor their writing and framing to ensure that people come to the "right" conclusion.
 
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I can see that and I appreciate you pointing that out. Coming from a hard journalism background late 90's I look at the landscape now and I am lost at how media especially print media got to this point on handling reporting. News organizations want to make everything a race or a war and it really has had a negative impact on industry standards trickling out to readership.
I support the concept of hard journalism wholeheartedly. Fuck Good Night, and Good Luck is one of my favorite films of all time.

I don't think it exists in the mainstream.
 

Tya

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Anyone reading this that can't see the obvious issues is a lost cause.
 
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Like even if the header is a quote, that doesn't mean they had to use it for the title. NBC knows damn well the tone and mindset they're setting with that title and makes it clear they consider the issue not that serious.

And yeah no, I've seen too much "impartial" and "indifferent" news that past few years to know what that really means. At best endorsement of the status quo and conflating the concept of "balance" to ridiculous degrees and at worse, silent (and usually quite loud) bias towards bigotry and hate (stares right at the BBC)
 

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FYI, the word "Punked" was removed from the headline. It's not there anymore.

BTW, this article isn't even on the NBC News front page. I had to go looking for it.
 

Tya

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FYI, the word "Punked" was removed from the headline. It's not there anymore.

BTW, this article isn't even on the NBC News front page. I had to go looking for it.

And? Was it on the front page 19 hours ago when it was first written? Was it at the top of their Politics page when it was first written? A story like this not being front and center nearly a day later in the modern era of news doesn't mean all that much. It shouldn't have been put out like this in the first place.
 
The whole NBC framing of this story was fraudulent. DeSantis regime absolutely planned to send migrants to Delaware
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Update

Here's what real journalism looks like


View: https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1572998162616385536?t=zLWxyJD5_6ti-hSg0-W9vw&s=19


View: https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1572999037606830080?t=p1d9GUfcvfCWRsAFszvRYg&s=19


View: https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1572999765495001089?t=Ps5lDijBLzOXhyAg1yKFfg&s=19

A black, luxury SUV with tinted windows pulled into a parking space along the side of a drab, two-story La Quinta motel planted on the northwestern edge of 12 lanes of highway that loop around downtown San Antonio. A woman with straight, light-colored hair got out of the rented Infiniti. She took the outdoor stairs, walked to the far end and knocked on the doors to rooms 243 and 241, where a group of Venezuelan asylum-seekers had spent five anxious days waiting. She brought them food and a message: They were being sent to Delaware. The bus to the airport would be leaving at 5 a.m. the next day — Tuesday, Sept. 20 — she said, according to interviews with six migrants housed at the hotel. The migrants didn't know that they were being swept up in an operation that bore striking similarities to one organized the week before by operatives for Gov. Ron DeSantis that ended with 48 Venezuelan migrants dropped off on a Massachusetts island. Or that the trip to Delaware being dangled would never happen.

They also didn't know that an anonymous source close to DeSantis would suggest to NBC News that a planned charter flight from San Antonio to Delaware — that was destined for an airport not far from President Joe Biden's summer home, according to flight records, and dominated cable news on Tuesday — was canceled without explanation and then used to "punk" journalists and Democrats and keep the "spotlight" on immigration. Ultimately, the migrants interviewed by the Herald were the butt of the joke. They thought they were going somewhere. Five days before she knocked on the door of their motel rooms, the woman, who never told them her name, had recruited the migrants to join a secret operation to transport asylum-seekers out of Texas. She had approached them outside San Antonio's migrant resource center and said she worked for an organization that she did not name.

She offered "clandestine flights" to places that she said could not be disclosed until the last minute. But she promised the destination cities had more resources to help the men, who had just crossed the border after a perilous months-long journey through the Panamanian jungle up through Central America and eventually across the U.S.-Mexico border to Texas towns struggling to accommodate the thousands of people coming in. "She said there would be work. She said that they would get us there and then there would be help," said one of the migrants, Pedro Escalona, who had trekked to San Antonio from Venezuela. His asylum hearing was scheduled to take place next month in Washington, D.C., and he hoped to at least get part of the way there.

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There would be no flight. The migrants were told the next morning it had been canceled. No reason was given.

Escalona and around 20 others were stranded — with nothing.



https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article266089771.html#storylink=cpy




The NBC reporter is of course taking this all in stride and showing professional maturity




View: https://twitter.com/chrispreperato/status/1572779966386798593?t=M9MKiPCHGz9xSfS4YzTW2Q&s=19


So here's the summary


They absolutely planned on doing the Martha's Vineyard thing again but got cold feet due to legal investigations, canceled everything and abandoned the migrants entirely.

They then sent an anonymous source to nbc to plant the suggestion that there was never any migrants, they never chartered a plane, that it was all conjecture from twitter journalists, and that the liberal media ran with it without confirming with DeSantis because they're bad at their jobs, and that DeSantis being a brilliant strategiest enabled the liberal media to report fake news my intentionally not saying anything and thus punking everyone.

Revisit this from the nbc piece:
Earlier in the day, DeSantis stoked the coals of speculation by declining to confirm or deny whether the plane would even take off — his administration later refused to say if the plane that landed in New Jersey was part of his program to relocate migrants — in an intentional effort to keep the issue alive, said a source familiar with the governor's thinking who discussed the plans anonymously to speak candidly.

"He didn't tell anyone and purposely left people in the dark. So technically the media, the Democrats, everyone got punked who decided to heed some s--- on Twitter instead of waiting for confirmation from the governor's office," the source said. "The entire point of this is to put a spotlight on the border. It's what the governor has said."

And folks here have suggested it's only DeSantis sources not the journalists touting his political acumen

Incorrect.

Revisit this:

The "Waiting for Godot"-like spectacle Tuesday highlighted the intractable politics around immigration, as well as DeSantis' knack for getting headlines and positioning himself to challenge Biden in 2024. While Abbott was the first GOP governor to send migrants to so-called sanctuary cities and states, DeSantis has gotten far more coverage of his new program — even though the migrants who landed in Martha's Vineyard boarded the planes in Abbott's state.
This is the expressed words of the authors of the article

Ultimately the only people who got "punked" are the NBC reporters and the 20 or so migrants whose humanity was once again erased as they were used as pawns by a fascist regime of monsters.
 
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Here's what real journalism looks like


View: https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1572998162616385536?t=zLWxyJD5_6ti-hSg0-W9vw&s=19


View: https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1572999037606830080?t=p1d9GUfcvfCWRsAFszvRYg&s=19


View: https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1572999765495001089?t=Ps5lDijBLzOXhyAg1yKFfg&s=19







https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article266089771.html#storylink=cpy




The NBC reporter is of course taking this all in stride and showing professional maturity




View: https://twitter.com/chrispreperato/status/1572779966386798593?t=M9MKiPCHGz9xSfS4YzTW2Q&s=19


So here's the summary


They absolutely planned on doing the Martha's Vineyard thing again but got cold feet due to legal investigations, canceled everything and abandoned the migrants entirely.

They then sent an anonymous source to nbc to plant the suggestion that there was never any migrants, they never chartered a plane, that it was all conjecture from twitter journalists, and that the liberal media ran with it without confirming with DeSantis because they're bad at their jobs, and that DeSantis being a brilliant strategiest enabled the liberal media to report fake news my intentionally not saying anything and thus punking everyone.

Revisit this from the nbc piece:


And folks here have suggested it's only DeSantis sources not the journalists touting his political acumen

Incorrect.

Revisit this:


This is the expressed words of the authors of the article

Ultimately the only people who got "punked" are the NBC reporters and the 20 or so migrants whose humanity was once again erased as they were used as pawns by a fascist regime of monsters.

Not much to add here but to say well done on stay on top of all this. I really hope DeSantis gets some sort of punishment for his actions, not just here but all of the BS he's pulled. I will never get the de-humanization of migrants.
 
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Not much to add here but to say well done on stay on top of all this. I really hope DeSantis gets some sort of punishment for his actions, not just here but all of the BS he's pulled. I will never get the de-humanization of migrants.

I'm making a new thread from my post here, so as to get more eyes on the story of the Migrants, but while addressing the failure of nbc here as well.
 

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Did Kenny Rogers from MadTV took over NBC editorial?