Nah, you just need to Switch phone for Switch voice chat.Please bring a second smartphone with you for voice chat. Please understand.
My apologies, I was drunk posting
I don't think they can dictate that but the way they describe the new one as being designed for TVs, and the one after that being more of a traditional handheld game makes me suspect something is up.Gamefreak is probably pushing for a cheaper version of the Switch. Kids can't afford $300+ to play Pokemon.
Semantics on pocketability really don't matter in this current age where children and adults alike have no problem lugging around larger-screened devices. We've seen this already with the 3DS, as the XL model was by far the leading SKU, and we've seen it in mobile phones, where the increase in screen real estate is pivoted as a selling point rather than a negative.
In a way, we've come full circle to 90s era mobile tech where consumers back then regularly carried hulking devices.
Pretty much. I'm totally reminding people of this insecure fanboy freak out if a Switch Lite is announced.Sounds like they're only referring to a system to take the "ease of purchase" spot of 3DS, not an actual 3DS successor. This could just be a cheaper Switch.
Maybe in some markets, but it's worth considering the Japanese market specifically, where any portable console that's had a smaller revision has always been super popular.The handheld successor is already here: It's called the Switch.
Because if the only thing preventing the Switch from being viewed as the 3DS successor is the inclusion of the dock and it's $300 price point, that means its already "handheld enough".
Semantics on pocketability really don't matter in this current age where children and adults alike have no problem lugging around larger-screened devices. We've seen this already with the 3DS, as the XL model was by far the leading SKU, and we've seen it in mobile phones, where the increase in screen real estate is pivoted as a selling point rather than a negative.
In a way, we've come full circle to 90s era mobile tech where consumers back then regularly carried hulking devices.
Because he's saying they are considering it.Did I miss a part of the quote where they announced a new platform?
Why are people reacting to something that doesn't exist?
There won't be a 3DS successor. What actually happend after the catastrophical Wii U failure was the following:
Actually, Nintendo gave up on home consoles. They always used to have 2 markets. A dedicated home console market (NES, SNES, N64... Wii... Wii U) and a dedicated portable console market (Gameboy, Gameboy Colour, Gameboy Advance, Nintendo DS, 3DS).
After the Wii U failure they realized, the problems their traditional Home console market had, was something they couldn't overcome. Especially after amost every 3rd party publisher had abandoned them. Nintendo also realized, there is no need for a stand-alone Nintendo home console, because most of the big selling franchises these days are already selling very well on Playstation and Xbox - the so called "high-end" consoles.
That's why there won't be switch successor. The switch is the 3DS successor already.
Maybe if that revision came with other benefits like the DS Lite/i, but haven't things like the (new or not) 3DS XL far more popular than the smaller units since their introduction?Maybe in some markets, but it's worth considering the Japanese market specifically, where any portable console that's had a smaller revision has always been super popular.
He said they're considering something to succeed the ease of purchase position of 3DS. That doesn't have to be interpreted as a brand new handheld, which frankly doesn't make sense given developers who typically make handheld games, such as Game Freak, have migrated to Switch.
I don't know the split, but I know that the smaller ones are a significant portion of customers. That's why since the DS XL they've offered both larger and smaller units. Because both are popular.Maybe if that revision came with other benefits like the DS Lite/i, but haven't things like the (new or not) 3DS XL far more popular than the smaller units since their introduction?
What does "ease of purchase" mean? I'm guessing the price being cheap? Maybe they'd do a portable only Switch.He said they're considering something to take succeed the ease of purchase position of 3DS. That doesn't have to be interpreted as a brand new handheld, which frankly doesn't make sense given developers who typically make handheld games, such as Game Freak, have migrated to Switch.
To me, the biggest reason why the 3DS/2DS line is still around because it is cheap. Not only in price point, but in developing as well. Possibly only mobile is cheaper to develop for than the 3DS/2DS currently.New 2DS XL is the current main SKU, and that thing is incredibly slim and light. It weighs the same as the OG 2DS, but it has XL sized screens. The whole form factor has been slimmed down from New 3DS XL, and it feels fantastic in the hands.
There is no way at all to call New 2DS XL hulking or bulky. It's handheld design perfection, and it's very pocketable. It's a big reason why the 3DS line is still around and getting games. When it comes to handheld comfort and portability, Switch just can't beat New 2DS XL in its current form factor.
Exactly, the Switch is something of an investment whereas the 3DS is closer to impulse purchase territory and it's the only system on the market that currently occupies that space.What does "ease of purchase" mean? I'm guessing the price being cheap? Maybe they'd do a portable only Switch.
If you don't know the split why make such statements as "most" (then retract and say "significant") etc? Plus the smaller was at times the only option so clearly that would sell more until there was any other option by default. And I wouldn't say 2DS is universally smaller since it doesn't fold. 2DS LL has sold more in Japan already even though it was introduced later too (but again that has other benefits than the size, since it's "new" hardware rather than the oldie 3DS guts). Really you can't talk about these things without actually researching them carefully and clearly neither one of us has done enough of that to be so absolute about it (hence why I started with a question rather than statement myself, just going by how it was even hard for me to find a regular old 3DS when the XL units were released and became so popular they all but phased out the initial size, that was before having the "new" line too).I don't know the split, but I know that the smaller ones are a significant portion of customers. That's why since the DS XL they've offered both larger and smaller units. Because both are popular.
I think the margins are higher on the XL models, but there were market factors that led to stuff like the 2DS and New 3DS being smaller units, and those factors haven't disappeared now that the Switch is out.
Nooo
I hope they don't, having one system to play all their games is best.
I imagine that possibility would be something like a Switch Lite.
No detachable Joy-Cons, no HD rumble, no dock. Lower price, runs every Switch game. Hits the target market they're looking for, without splitting development resources.
Kind of like how the 2DS cut down on key features of the 3DS to lower the price and appeal to kids.
You're not wrong, but there's clearly still a small market for people who want smaller devices. That's why phone manufacturers often have a "mini/compact" alternative along with "plus" phones. Which is why in 2018 I never see Switch systems in the wild, yet I still see some 3DS systems here and there (granted, I live in Japan, but with Switch performing so well we do know people aren't using it as an "on the go" system).To me, the biggest reason why the 3DS/2DS line is still around because it is cheap. Not only in price point, but in developing as well. Possibly only mobile is cheaper to develop for than the 3DS/2DS currently.
Yes, the 2DS is ergonomically better suited for pocketability than the Switch - that isn't up for debate. My contention is that pocketability, especially when expressed in 2000s-era clamshell design philosophy, is not factored in the buying process when people are looking for portable devices now.
As in, the Switch's current large single-screen form, IMO, is not that much of a deterrent to portable-oriented consumers, because it is perfectly in-line with the form and shape of other portable devices.
Perhaps Nintendo will release a clamshell Switch variant in the future - I don't know. They especially have a track record of releasing multiple handhelds to address specific population needs, so I wouldn't at all rule it out. But the insinuation that the lack of a foldable, pocketable device is what's preventing handheld consumers to jump aboard with the Switch is something I just cannot agree with.
I can only speak for my region, but I've seen at least 10 Switches in the wild around Baltimore, 3 of then being played by kids.You're not wrong, but there's clearly still a small market for people who want smaller devices. That's why phone manufacturers often have a "mini/compact" alternative along with "plus" phones. Which is why in 2018 I never see Switch systems in the wild, yet I still see some 3DS systems here and there (granted, I live in Japan, but with Switch performing so well we do know people aren't using it as an "on the go" system).
Gotta say, it's refreshing to see someone else who *gets* it.There won't be a 3DS successor. What actually happend after the catastrophical Wii U failure was the following:
Actually, Nintendo gave up on home consoles. They always used to have 2 markets. A dedicated home console market (NES, SNES, N64... Wii... Wii U) and a dedicated portable console market (Gameboy, Gameboy Colour, Gameboy Advance, Nintendo DS, 3DS).
After the Wii U failure they realized, the problems their traditional Home console market had, was something they couldn't overcome. Especially after amost every 3rd party publisher had abandoned them. Nintendo also realized, there is no need for a stand-alone Nintendo home console, because most of the big selling franchises these days are already selling very well on Playstation and Xbox - the so called "high-end" consoles.
So ultimately Nintendo had no choice. They had to do something to solve their bad situation in the home console market. At the same time however, their portable system, the 3DS, was also in it's final years. Luckily, Nintendo was always increadibly strong and successfull in the handheld market - the NR. 1 for decades.
So they faced the following situation:
- Nintendo's home console market was done.
- Their handheld console was in need of a successor
- Smartphone competition has increased and became a thread to their handheld bussiness.
So what did they do? Basically this:
Nintendo solved their problem by fusing all their strenghts together. Everything that made tehir home consoles great (extra power, motion gaming, off tv play (from The Wii U)) and everything that made their portable consoles great (protablility, pokemon, healthy 3rd party support) fused together in one product:
The Nintendo Switch
Instead of producing another home console that couldn't compete with Sony and Microsoft, they decided to produce the most powerfull handheld to date. This had a couple of advantages:
- By doing so, they could maintain their lead/monopoly in the handheld market.
- By adding motion, joycon and all those stuff, they provided extra functionality no smartphone has (dedicated advanced control mechanismns).
- With the extra power they could provide a new feature: TV play. Hocking the console up to a TV. This could be used to justify the higher entry price of the Switch (their most expansive handheld to date).
Because that's what it is. The Switch IS (actually) the 3DS Successor. It's a powerful handheld you can hook up to your TV.
So all in all, Nintendo fused their handheld and console market together and gained a lot of new strenght.
The only thing they had to do now, is to spin the marketing by saying "the switch is a home console you can play anywhere", rather than "the switch is handheld you can hook up to your TV", which they succeeded.
That's why there won't be switch successor. The switch is the 3DS successor already.
Well if anything phones are larger than before these days, the "regular" versions are XL sized already (you can barely find any 4.5 inch screen models these days, 5 is getting rarer also, 5.5 being the most common and inching towards 6 now with the smaller bezels) and there's the more limited "even larger size" market with the "Plus" ranges. Lite models also often aren't actually that much smaller in dimensions, just slightly different/cheaper, like the last few P Lite models.You're not wrong, but there's clearly still a small market for people who want smaller devices. That's why phone manufacturers often have a "mini/compact" alternative along with "plus" phones. Which is why in 2018 I never see Switch systems in the wild, yet I still see some 3DS systems here and there (granted, I live in Japan, but with Switch performing so well we do know people aren't using it as an "on the go" system).
So...is anyone else like, not at all concerned about this? Like, it's a nothing statement, not the "Nintendoom" panicking half this thread seems to think it is.
Yeah, this is happening, but a) even big phones are something you can put in your pocket unless it's a straight phablet (which are not popular!), and b) Apple, Sony, Sharp, Nokia, and many phone manufacturers still make "mini" versions of their phones because, well, there's still a market for them even if it's smaller.Well if anything phones are larger than before these days, the "regular" versions are XL sized already (you can barely find any 4.5 inch screen models these days, 5 is getting rarer also, 5.5 being the most common and inching towards 6 now with the smaller bezels) and there's the more limited "even larger size" market with the "Plus" ranges. Lite models also often aren't actually that much smaller in dimensions, just slightly different/cheaper, like the last few P Lite models.
TPCi is well-known for being slow adopters of systems and a transition would likely not be immediate. If a potential "4DS", or whatever it would be called, manages to categorically bomb then perhaps they'll think twice about moving on. Otherwise, they'll still sign on. The 3DS had a pretty bad start-up but they still signed on for Pokemon X and Y.What about the fact that we don't even know how the 4ds will sell? What if it's even less than the switch? They are just going to abandon what is currently on pace to already outsell the xbone within like a year and a half for a lesser handheld?
The entire appeal of the switch for me was ONE platform for all of Nintendo's focus.
If they go back to two I'm out on Nintendo again.