Do you live in 14th Congressional District of New York?
I sure did miss it :( She is saying stuff I really, really like.You missed this gem.
This is someone who found the pulse of the matter. She may be wrong about the jobs guarantee -- it may be too early for Americans to accept UBI because they can't even accept how they're losing their jobs -- but boy, on fuckin' point evrwhere else that I've seen.
Oh god. Universal jobs guarantee is the dumbest goddamn policy position to come out of the left in my lifetime. It's delusional bullshit on the level of republicans promising to bring back coal, pure pandering to the base with impossible promises.
She seems genuine and charismatic, which the Democratic party desperately needs right now, so there's that. I just hope she's capable of something other demagoguery; I'd like the Democratic party to remain in the reality-based community.
I sure did miss it :( She is saying stuff I really, really like.
And welcome, comrade!
Haha, no, though I am a part of Bernie's mailing list. I'm just so fucking surprised that she beat the corporate back Dem in their own game. She had a fraction of the funding, how the hell did she beat the almighty dollar. Does grassroots campaigning actually work?
It's a whole other topic, but your opinion on talk like this will flip in the next 10 years. The truck drivers are going to all get phased out by automation very soon. They are just going to be the first.Oh god. Universal jobs guarantee is the dumbest goddamn policy position to come out of the left in my lifetime. It's delusional bullshit on the level of republicans promising to bring back coal, pure pandering to the base with impossible promises.
She seems genuine and charismatic, which the Democratic party desperately needs right now, so there's that. I just hope she's capable of something other demagoguery; I'd like the Democratic party to remain in the reality-based community.
Well, it is welcome to see you. It's nice to bond over something other than the lobster manYou're the second person to "welcome" me on this forum on Cortez, but I never "joined". I think I was always here.
We may speak a lot because of Lobster Man, but I am very much a huge UBI supporter when I'm not dogpiling on that wannabee Joseph Campbell. By that nature, I have always been a comrade, I guess. ;)
This is someone who found the pulse of the matter. She may be wrong about the jobs guarantee -- it may be too early for Americans to accept UBI because they can't even accept how they're losing their jobs -- but boy, on fuckin' point evrwhere else that I've seen.
Oh god. Universal jobs guarantee is the dumbest goddamn policy position to come out of the left in my lifetime. It's delusional bullshit on the level of republicans promising to bring back coal, pure pandering to the base with impossible promises.
She seems genuine and charismatic, which the Democratic party desperately needs right now, so there's that. I just hope she's capable of something other demagoguery; I'd like the Democratic party to remain in the reality-based community.
Well, it is welcome to see you. It's nice to bond over something other than the lobster man
Eh, I'm going to hold congressional candidates to a lower standard on this front than a presidential candidate honestly. Now if she doesn't walk into the floor in 2019 with a day one plan for how she wants to proceed than I'm with youThe question was about Marshall plans and federal job guarantees. She avoids going into any substantive detail on the matter and then brings up how she has a degree in economics and other people don't. Then she just states a basic concept that growth requires investment.
I'm not here to lecture liberal communities on who to pick to represent them, just as I wouldn't want those same communities to tell me who should be representing me. Yet most of her proposals are all just pure pandering with no explanation as to how it will be done or what will have to be given up to achieve it.
I'll drink to thatI'm not gonna say age limits are wrong, but let's be real, she's way smarter and more savvy than a lot of those stupid old fuckers in Congress
Some people are just more mature at 28 than other people ever become
I support a "jobs guarantee for whomever wants one" instead of making people sit idle getting pity money from the well-off, which is what a UBI would currently be. There's plenty of work that can be done in America that may not be "profitable," but that still needs to be done.
Assuming she stays in the House for a lengthy tenure, she's not going to have any major role for years. You start on some of the less important committees generally.
good for Ocosia-Cortez, Good to see new blood.
sucks for Crowley , he's one of the good Democrats. But he phoned it in and though it was a shoe-in.
oh well.
too many people are jumping the gun on Crowley, he's not a bad Democrat.
I've seen zero Crowley material in my neighborhood in the past few weeks. At least nothing immediately recognizable. AOC's stuff has been everywhere and eye-catching, like this:Haha, no, though I am a part of Bernie's mailing list. I'm just so fucking surprised that she beat the corporate back Dem in their own game. She had a fraction of the funding, how the hell did she beat the almighty dollar. Does grassroots campaigning actually work?
That and the fact she wants to fuck over ICE.
I support a "jobs guarantee for whomever wants one" instead of making people sit idle getting pity money from the well-off, which is what a UBI would currently be. There's plenty of work that can be done in America that may not be "profitable," but that still needs to be done.
It's the middle of Queens. Yes she did.
The amount of vitriol I'm already seeing from bots and trumpets make me think they're scared of her.
The amount of vitriol I'm already seeing from bots and trumpets make me think they're scared of her.
Queens and the Bronx. You best respect the Bronx.
Because who can get enthusiastic about a corporate moderate that just wants everything to stay the same?On my walk from the train to the school to vote this evening I must have ran into 8 enthusiastic AOC canvassers. Saw 2 bored looking Crowley people outside the school.
It's a whole other topic, but your opinion on talk like this will flip in the next 10 years. The truck drivers are going to all get phased out by automation very soon. They are just going to be the first.
It's going to take some real self-reflection about what kind of challenges we face in the very near future. Read up on Universal Basic Income, and the impending jobs apocalypse that's right about to happen. And if people don't plan for this ahead of time, the misery of society is going to lead to someone 100x worse than Trump.
I feel like you should be required to have academic or professional experience in economics before being eligible to make economic lawsYou missed this gem.
This is someone who found the pulse of the matter. She may be wrong about the jobs guarantee -- it may be too early for Americans to accept UBI because they can't even accept how they're losing their jobs -- but boy, on fuckin' point evrwhere else that I've seen.
Yup. This is overlooked by most people against UBI. They just want to remain comfortable by not changing anything.Many people want to work and create things, and imo education and safety nets/enabling of experimentation are the path to self-driven creativity and productivity, as opposed to the head-count/put-food-on-the-table mentality that drives much of the labor market.
I've seen zero Crowley material in my neighborhood in the past few weeks. At least nothing immediately recognizable. AOC's stuff has been everywhere and eye-catching, like this:
On my walk from the train to the school to vote this evening I must have ran into 8 enthusiastic AOC canvassers. Saw 2 bored looking Crowley people outside the school.
good for Ocosia-Cortez, Good to see new blood.
sucks for Crowley , he's one of the good Democrats. But he phoned it in and though it was a shoe-in.
oh well.
too many people are jumping the gun on Crowley, he's not a bad Democrat.
Our generation has some really fuckin' energized political campaigners, if only there were more of us. We're young and hungry for change and difference.I've seen zero Crowley material in my neighborhood in the past few weeks. At least nothing immediately recognizable. AOC's stuff has been everywhere and eye-catching, like this:
On my walk from the train to the school to vote this evening I must have ran into 8 enthusiastic AOC canvassers. Saw 2 bored looking Crowley people outside the school.
It's very soviet propaganda poster. Which is a good thing because those designs were on point.Our generation has some really fuckin' energized political campaigners, if only there were more of us. We're young and hungry for change and difference.
Also yeah, her fucking logo work is on point. Her campaign went to fuckin' school. The exclamation points, the color contrast, her picture! It really does draw you in.
Our generation has some really fuckin' energized political campaigners, if only there were more of us. We're young and hungry for change and difference.
Also yeah, her fucking logo work is on point. Her campaign went to fuckin' school. The exclamation points, the color contrast, her picture! It really does draw you in.
It can, but the particulars of this district made it more likely.Haha, no, though I am a part of Bernie's mailing list. I'm just so fucking surprised that she beat the corporate back Dem in their own game. She had a fraction of the funding, how the hell did she beat the almighty dollar. Does grassroots campaigning actually work?
Haha, no, though I am a part of Bernie's mailing list. I'm just so fucking surprised that she beat the corporate back Dem in their own game. She had a fraction of the funding, how the hell did she beat the almighty dollar. Does grassroots campaigning actually work?
That and the fact she wants to fuck over ICE.
I hope the Democratic party doesn't keep trying to rig the election like they are already trying to. People have optimism when they see people saying stuff that affects their lives, and people actually advocating for them. People sure had a ton of optimism in 2008 also. We need more than optimism here.I hope this gives the pessimistic some optimism about 2018 and beyond.
i see the smear campaign has already begun and he seems to have good policies and charisma but
as a leftist, i'm just not really sure what the strategy is for some. what evidence is there that the democratic party is capable of being reformed into a socialist party? kick all of the capititalist/imperialist apologists out? so, basically get rid of everyone?
or take the 'wide church' strategy? how? 'we need to be a capitalist party' and 'we need to be a socialist party' aren't compatible positions. they are contradictory. how do those two things exist within the same party? unless you're one of those people who believe that every time the government does something, it's socialism, rather than seeing socialism as a replacement of the capitalist mode of production by one organized by and structured for worker's interests and collective ownership.
is having one congressman who believes in it really going to help end ICE's reign of terror when the 'mainstream' of the party is so cowardly on the issue and unwilling to discuss big ideas like free movement? i don't know. how many different fundamentally contradictory positions can be held by one political party?
Don't rig the election. Don't have a party leadership that massively favors one side and pushes every scale behind the scenes to the side they want.as a leftist, i'm just not really sure what the strategy is for some. what evidence is there that the democratic party is capable of being reformed into a socialist party? kick all of the capititalist/imperialist apologists out? so, basically get rid of everyone?
It's certainly made Twitter a little more mentally healthy to browse tonight for meI hope this gives the pessimistic some optimism about 2018 and beyond.
in what way are "worker or collective ownership of the means of the production" (the definition of socialism) and "ownership of the means of production by private owners for profit" (the definition of capitalism) not mutually exclusive? literally one calls for private ownership by capitalists and one calls for public ownership by workers. both of those things can't be true. unless you're one of those people that believes highways are an example of socialismSocialism and Capitalism aren't mutually exclusive. You seem to be confusing Socialism with Communism (which is idiotic).
well, that's easier said than done. and would essentially mean a complete purge of the party.Don't rig the election. Don't have a party leadership that massively favors one side and pushes every scale behind the scenes to the side they want.
Then all you have to do is run primaries. The voters will tell you who the better candidate is. It's not that complicated. No one has to get kicked out. They get voted out if someone is better. Then when you have a stronger, vetted candidate, they are stronger in the general too.
And don't take corporate money. And try and campaign for everyone, all 50 states.
Socialism and Capitalism aren't mutually exclusive. You seem to be confusing Socialism with Communism (which is idiotic).
It breathed new life into some people, but it now worries the people that were happy with the status quo and don't want to rock the boat for fear of a backlash or repeat of 2016. Personally, I'm hopeful this is a sign of the swing to come nationwide. Yes, it's NYC, but it's a swing further left than anyone expected. Maybe everywhere else will nudge in the same direction even if it's not to this extreme.I hope this gives the pessimistic some optimism about 2018 and beyond.
I don't want to be that guy... but I'm going to have to strongly disagree.Socialism and Capitalism aren't mutually exclusive. You seem to be confusing Socialism with Communism (which is idiotic).
You're confusing socialism with social democracy.
Social democracy is regulated capitalism with some nationalized industries.
Socialism is worker control of the means of production to produce for human need rather than profit. In other words, the abolition of private property and the market system - the very bedrock of capitalism.
Communism is a stateless society where technology has advanced to such a degree that nobody has to work anymore and the fruits of production can be equitably distributed.
in what way are "worker or collective ownership of the means of the production" (the definition of socialism) and "ownership of the means of production by private owners for profit" (the definition of capitalism) not mutually exclusive? literally one calls for private ownership by capitalists and one calls for public ownership by workers. both of those things can't be true. unless you're one of those people that believes highways are an example of socialism
well, that's easier said than done. and would essentially mean a complete purge of the party.
The Clinton neo-liberal wing purged the whole party in the 90s already. They just did it through money. That purge happened across the whole country. Whoever had the most money won. Finally that is starting to slightly change because people are fed up enough with the current state of things.well, that's easier said than done. and would essentially mean a complete purge of the party.