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Edmond Dantès

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(The fresco showing Helen of Troy and Paris. Pompeii Archaeological Park)

Imagine seeing the face of Helen of Troy staring back at you, from within the ashes of a 2,000-year-old city. But these aren't the burned walls of Troy. And these ashes aren't the scars of a city burned down for the sake of "the face that launch'd a thousand ships". This is Pompeii.
Helen is depicted in stunning detail (alongside Paris, the prince of Troy) in one of the paintings on the recently discovered fresco wall of the winter dining room of a Pompeian villa. Other paintings on the walls depict two more women from the Trojan war myth – Helen's mother Leda and Cassandra the Trojan prophet.

When this ancient Roman town was blasted by the fatal eruption of Mount Vesuvius in AD79, it must have felt much like the all-out siege that the ancient epics, by poets like Homer, tell us battered Helen's Troy. But this siege was brought about by the violent forces of nature, not war.

As ash poured down on Pompeii and super-heated explosions charged the streets, the victims of Vesuvius fell where they stood, captured in the pumice that pummelled them and their homes like sling-stones. People ran, leaving bread in ovens that would never get eaten and paint pots abandoned alongside half-decorated walls.

As the Roman lawyer and author Pliny the Younger writes in his eyewitness account of the disaster, in that night where "the darkness was darker and thicker" than any other, it was as if the whole world was ending.

Parts of the town that haven't seen the light since that last darkness closed over the Pompeian sky are now being uncovered again. In a rescue mission to preempt potential collapse, parts of what's known as region nine of Pompeii are being excavated for the first time.

Ash is getting scraped back, walls are rearing up into the sunlight out of the piles of rubble. And as the archaeologists dig, more of Pompeii's secrets emerge, in astonishing condition, bright as the day they were buried.
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(The full uncovered dining room. Pompeii Archaeological Park)
The women of Troy

The painting of Helen is the latest in a series of remarkable discoveries, that also brought us the fresco of something that looks astonishingly like pizza.

Every clue that comes out of the rubble in Pompeii provides valuable information to ancient historians like me about the lost world Pompeii represents. They tell us about the way people lived, from the gorgeous frescoes all the way to the sewage trapped in the drainpipes (I spent a summer studying this and it is more fascinating than it sounds). But there is something particularly special about these mythical paintings.

It's not just their unusual style, which shows the painters experimenting with new techniques and representing the latest artistic fashions. It's the trio of women from Greek myth collected together in a way that makes us see the Trojan war myth anew – and puts the stories of women at the forefront.

And it's an amazingly fitting time for this discovery. Over the past decade, a tidal wave of bestselling novels has hit the mainstream retelling the stories of the women of the Trojan war – from my own, For the Most Beautiful (2016) to The Silence of the Girls by Pat Barker (2018), A Thousand Ships by Natalie Haynes (2019) and Clytemnestra by Costanza Casati (2023).

This moody, dark-walled dining room in a private villa was likely the residence of the Pompeian politician, Aulus Rustius Verus. It shows that, just like us, Pompeii's elite were well versed in – and eager for – stories of the women of ancient Greek myth.

The role of the fresco

Triclinia (three couches set around a table, where guests would recline), set up in front of frescoes such as this, were the perfect place for Pompeians to gain new perspectives on old stories.

Every couch gave you a different point of view on the myth. Sit on one side, and you'd be faced with the image of Helen's very first encounter with Paris. Is Paris' outstretched arm an invitation or a threat? Is there a sense that Helen is lingering, uncertain, with that back foot scraping behind her?

Homer's epics – the first to tell Helen's story – are ambivalent about whether Helen was raped by Paris or went to Troy of her own accord. This painter seems to be exploiting that ambivalence.

You can just imagine the Pompeian literati quaffing glasses of expensive wine as they gazed at Helen's face and debated the subject.

But this isn't the only chapter in the tale. Sit elsewhere, and you'd have a stark reminder of a very different angle on the myth: the disturbing background to Helen's birth, and the context to so many stories of women in the Greek myths. Just behind Helen is painted a graphic image of Leda, Helen's mother, being attacked and raped by Zeus, in the form of a swan.

And then, last but not least: on the opposite wall is a depiction of Cassandra, the prophet of Troy. She was cursed by Apollo to tell the truth and never to be believed after she refused to have sex with him. No matter how many times she screams that Troy will fall, nobody listens. This is the price of ownership over your body as a woman in Greek myth – the loss of your voice.

From a rape, to an abduction, to a curse. These three women's stories offer an overture of the Trojan myth. The start, with the birth of Helen, the cause, with Helen's leaving for Troy and the end, with Cassandra's predictions of Troy's fall. United around this Pompeian dining room, they are a spectacle, a conversation starter – a fabulous (and fabulously well connected) tale.

But they're also a warning. Troy fell. And so will Pompeii. As the grim skeletons discovered in the villa show, just like the Trojans, Verus and his guests didn't listen to Cassandra either.
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Newly uncovered Helen of Troy fresco shows Pompeii’s elite were eager for ancient Greek stories about women

The paintings show the trio of women from Greek myth in a way that makes us see the Trojan War myth anew.
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Quando la Guerra di Troia non era ancora decisa. Il salone nero con affreschi di III stile nella Regio IX, insula 10 di Pompei - Pompeii Sites

Lo scavo archeologico avviato nel 2023 nell’insula 10 della Regio IX a Pompei, necessario per la sistemazione dei fronti e per il miglioramento dell’assetto idrogeologico del pianoro, ha finora restituito due abitazioni, collegate tra di loro, che si affacciavano su via di Nola, le cui facciate...
 

Indalecio

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Oct 27, 2017
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Someday thousands of years from now, archaeologists are going to dig up my house and say, "this was a civilization of fucking weebs".
 

DarthMasta

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Doggo is sad. And it makes sense for Romans to like stuff about Troy, since they considered themselves descendants of Troy, right?
 

LordHuffnPuff

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I'm a bit dubious about the framing here - it seems like this particular politician was into the story of Helen. Framing this as "Roman elites being eager for stories about women" feels like a vast overread unless there's more that isn't reported. The kind of bad reporting you see in science news all the time, where the implications of a narrow study are blown out to unrealistic proportions. I'm surprised given the article's author should probably know better?
 

bremon

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"The face that launched a thousand ships". The dog mugging the camera is an ancient version of a "her?" meme from arrested development.
 

platypotamus

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I'm sure there's reasons they came to this conclusion and maybe those reasons are the other frescos on the wall and what not, but imagine looking at that painting and knowing that dude with the dog is supposed to be Paris and that the other people are Helen and whoever the fuck is standing and giving her the jealous gf meme look. Does Paris even have a dog in the myth? I don't remember a dog.
 

JonnyDBrit

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I'm sure there's reasons they came to this conclusion and maybe those reasons are the other frescos on the wall and what not, but imagine looking at that painting and knowing that dude with the dog is supposed to be Paris and that the other people are Helen and whoever the fuck is standing and giving her the jealous gf meme look. Does Paris even have a dog in the myth? I don't remember a dog.

It's because there's a caption on the fresco, as is not uncommon in a lot of ancient Greek and Roman art, specifically because identifying who is who can be tricky, even with the use of archetypal scenes and ephemera
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Alexandros - the top line - is one of Paris' names, and the second name is Helen. Not hard to piece together
 

platypotamus

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It's because there's a caption on the fresco, as is not uncommon in a lot of ancient Greek and Roman art, specifically because identifying who is who can be tricky, even with the use of archetypal scenes and ephemera
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Alexandros - the top line - is one of Paris' names, and the second name is Helen. Not hard to piece together

Typical illegible taggers, I woulda sworn the second name said Cacnh