Crushed

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People with ‘Havana Syndrome’ Show No Brain Damage or Medical Illness

The largest and most comprehensive studies of ‘Havana Syndrome’ point to stress or group psychology as likely explanations for most “anomalous health incidents”
Now two medical studies that were conducted by the National Institutes of Health and released on Monday morning might finally have an answer. The researchers compared more than 80 of these affected individuals with similar healthy people. The results, detailed in the Journal of the American Medical Association, show no clinical signs or brain image indications to explain those widely varied symptoms.​
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In the first study, led by Chan, investigators examined 86 people with AHIs, 42 women and 44 men, who last experienced an incident 76 days prior, on average. The participants were U.S. government staff and family members who had been in locations that included parts of Cuba, China and Austria, as well as the U.S. (All of these areas were past sites of Havana syndrome outbreak reports.) A third of these affected participants were unable to work because of their symptoms. (According to Chan, a few of the cases dated to 2015, which was prior to the previously reported cases in Cuba.) Clinical tests for hearing, balance, cognition, eyesight and blood work were matched against the results from 30 people with similar working backgrounds but no symptoms. The researchers found that the only significant differences between the two groups were increased self-reported symptoms of fatigue, stress and depression in people with AHIs, as well as self-reported trouble with balancing that was confirmed through testing.​
Likewise, in a second study that looked at brain imaging in 81 of the same participants compared with 48 controls, investigators led by Carlo Pierpaoli of the NIH's National Institute of Biomedical Imaging and Bioengineering found "no significant differences in imaging measures of brain structure or function" among the two groups. The findings are consistent regardless of where the cases originated. Balance problems were the most pronounced complaint among the participants with AHIs: they were seen during tests in more than a quarter of those affected by this syndrome. These cases of persistent postural-perceptual dizziness point to a brain function disorder that the NIH researchers say could be linked to either external injuries or psychological distress.

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"People who were told by trusted authorities that they suffered brain damage from a secret weapon will likely dismiss the NIH report as a government cover-up," says University of Maryland neuroscientist Douglas Fields. "It is, however, an excellent scientific study, with conclusions that are well supported by data, and the study will be viewed as highly credible by scientists."​
 

Nivash

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, this fits. I've been calling this as mass psychogenic illness from the start.
 
Nov 8, 2017
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Even if 5 people got hit with the tummy ache gun in 2017 at this point it's abundantly clear that 99% of the people who believe or claim they have it do not.
 

mbpm

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Oct 25, 2017
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Holy shit. Havana syndrome became popular (on Era) 5 years ago at this point. Time really flies
 

zashga

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Oct 28, 2017
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Dudes would rather invent and be victimized by a directed energy weapon than go to therapy.
 

Surakian

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Oct 27, 2017
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Is it real? Is it mass hysteria? Stay tuned for this season of Havana Syndrome.
 

HazySaiyan

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skeptem

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So, what does this mean, is it real?
Everything I have seen, read, and listened to, including this makes me believe it's a case of either people lying, looking for answers to stress induced issues, or being convince through suggestion that they have it. This along with a constant feedback loop of a government cover up keeps people stuck with no answers...

The scientific research being like all scientific research and not closing the subject (because appropriatley they can't disprove something they don't see), people lack the understanding to read the research. The end of the article puts it well " "They have essentially said, 'We have not found any compelling evidence for Bigfoot', but of course, Bigfoot could be there; we just didn't see it," "

This seems to be the most conclusive evidence that there is no signs of any kind of trauma or damage to people.
 
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This is on now and it's all complete hooey lol. The "smoking guns" are circumstantial nonsense. It's just more interview clips of spooks saying one day they heard a bunch of ringing and now they have vertigo and memory loss—all of which is in line with the mass hysteria idea. They hear other spooks say they got hit with a microwave gun, so they think the same happened to them. Because it's easier for them to think that than consider that maybe the mental and spiritual cost of doing dirty work for intelligence agencies might catch up to you.
 

falcondoc

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Oct 29, 2017
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I found the 60 minutes report fairly compelling. Though I tend to believe people when it come to their symptoms and don't think much of a mass hysteria concept. Especially when it comes to chronic illness.
 

BackLogJoe

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Unraveling Havana Syndrome: New evidence links the GRU's assassination Unit 29155 to mysterious attacks on Americans, at home and abroad

A yearlong investigation by The Insider, in collaboration with 60 Minutes and Der Spiegel, has uncovered evidence suggesting that unexplained anomalous health incidents, also known as Havana Syndrome, may have their origin in the use of directed energy weapons wielded by members of Russian GRU...

This was literally just released in the last half hour. Basically says it's a Russian unit responsible.

A yearlong investigation by The Insider, in collaboration with 60 Minutes and Der Spiegel, has uncovered evidence suggesting that unexplained anomalous health incidents, also known as Havana Syndrome, may have their origin in the use of directed energy weapons wielded by members of Russian GRU Unit 29155. Members of the Kremlin's infamous military intelligence sabotage squad have been placed at the scene of suspected attacks on overseas U.S. government personnel and their family members, leading victims to question what Washington knows about the origins of Havana Syndrome, and what an appropriate Western response might entail.
 

cmdrshepard

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I work in a rehab psychology service that specialises in Long COVID, Persistent Concussion and Functional Neurological Disorder (FND) in Australia and I have followed this Havana Syndrome with great interest.

I have had a look at the paper itself and really these symptoms present similar to FND - and while I have not personally met someone with Havana Syndrome, I feel this study validates that nothing biological is causing these persistent symptoms.

For people with this, attributing the symptoms to a weapon would be damaging for their ability to challenge these symptoms if they are functional/psychological in nature.
 

Ionic

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It's amazing how a few key words can be strung together to make a Fox News-tier story completely palatable to your average liberal viewer. How about one of these senior intelligence officers who run the Pentagon investigations and are wheeled out onto the news to spout a bunch of Official Hearsay™ just tell us they've detected the cause of Havana Syndrome so those on the loony left will stop asking for silly things like evidence. If it's an electromagnetic or sound based attack strong enough to affect the human brain from a distance through walls then it can be detected in a trillion other ways with equipment you could buy from Grainger. And I don't want to hear "Noooo the Pentagon just doesn't want to signal to them that they know the cause!" as if the shadowy Russo-Cuban-Sino-Persian-North Korean cabal that are carrying out these attacks aren't accutely aware that it would be trivial for the US to measure a rate of microwave energy enough to blind a dude.

I enjoyed watching their recent 5 year 60 minutes recap video. The first guy on their dumb report was somebody whose job it is to "use top secret equipment to analyze electronic threats to diplomatic missions" but we don't get anything other than "I believe it so super hard, man". You have some guy come on half way in say "I'm tired of being gaslit by the US government" as if the video didn't just have John Bolton on minutes prior saying "Oh it's all real and also all the liberals take me very seriously as long as it's about the dumbest story imaginable" and after multiple bills have passed providing payments to abroad employees saying they got hit by the Russo-Cuban-Sino-Persian-North Korean headache ray.

After watching the recap of this extensive 5 year investigation which is roughly 75 percent by weight just accounts to the effect of "It sounded like marbles or maybe a ringing and I puked blood and then the dog puked blood and the children didn't know which way was up" I get to the new reporting and it's like "Well the silly Vietnamese could've been using microwave tech as a spying device but they used it wrong and it hurt people, and also a top secret assassination unit of Russia is using this all over the world but I guess just because it's funny to make people feel uncomfortable, and one singular nameless 'senior official' at a NATO summit last year was attacked, and also somebody across the street from the White House likes to zap like two people in particular over and over again as they walk down the West Wing stairs". Then they get to this thread's newly released medical report and 60 Minutes' only comment is "This stuff's vigorously debated. Anyway...".

And finally! We get to the end segment, and I really have to respect it, where our Pentagon mouthpiece and the 60 Minutes' speaker perfectly wrap it all up and straight up say "The burden of proof in the Trump and Biden administration is just too damn high for national security and our leaders are scared to protect the United States." Colin Powell may be gone but it's nice knowing we still have patriots on the inside working to bring the burden of proof back down to Powell's level (in the vicinity of the 8th Circle of Hell). Top notch, CBS.