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Chessguy1

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This week, Nintendo took two of these sites to court. In a complaint filed at a federal court in Arizona, the game publisher sues LoveROMS and LoveRETRO for copyright and trademark infringement.

Both sites are believed to be operated by Jacob Mathias and his Arizona company Mathias Designs LLC. They offer access to a wide variety of ROMs, including many Nintendo games.

"The LoveROMs and LoveRETRO websites are among the most open and notorious online hubs for pirated video games," Nintendo writes in the complaint.

Through the lawsuit, which also lists a count of unfair competition, Nintendo hopes to shut both sites down. The company requests statutory damages of $150,000 per infringing Nintendo game and up to $2,000,000 for each trademark infringement.

This means that, with more than 140 copyrighted titles and 40 trademarks on the record, theoretical damages could go up to a staggering $100 million.

Read the full article here:
https://torrentfreak.com/nintendo-sues-console-rom-sites-for-mass-copyright-infringement-180720
 
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Izanagi89

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Oct 27, 2017
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Never see the point in going after these sites. 1 goes down 10 more pop up. The only way you can combat piracy is providing an easier alternative, which Nintendo doesn't seem keen on doing.
 

caff!!!

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Oct 29, 2017
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Nintendo has been chasing ROM websites for years, nothing special about yet another one getting squashed.

Also, isn't linking to said website in the cut out blurb technically breaking the rules here?
 

Hycran

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Oct 30, 2017
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While Nintendo is well within its rights to sue these websites, a lot of them are located outside of the US and are likely to just keep shell gaming it to avoid any punishment.

The positive to this though is that people have shown a willingness to buy the real McCoy, so the more games they get on virtual consoles and mini consoles the better.
 

zychi

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Oct 28, 2017
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Never see the point in going after these sites. 1 goes down 10 more pop up. The only way you can combat piracy is providing an easier alternative, which Nintendo doesn't seem keen on doing.
See the post above. Probably building a record for going after bigger sites next.
Maybe even the soon to be modchips and free cfw coming out soon.
 

Vena

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See the post above. Probably building a record for going after bigger sites next.
Maybe even the soon to be modchips and free cfw coming out soon.

They don't need this to do that. They took gateway sellers to court repeatedly and won. They have the groundwork to crush anyone if they so choose.
 

JCG

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is to be expected. It won't change anything in the long run, but Nintendo needs to enforce their rights.
 

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This is going to be a never-ending story for Nintendo, they can't keep up with the speed at which these ROMs are made available.
 

Metalik

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I actually really liked LoveROMS. Sure, it's filled with pop-ups like there's no tomorrow, but the download speeds, man.
 

Ada

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Nov 28, 2017
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You've got to be pretty stupid to register a ROM distribution site in the US.
 

low-G

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Oct 25, 2017
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They want them to "reveal the source" of the ROMs? That makes me think they and their lawyers are clueless.

They used some ancient ripped ROM from the Internet in their own sold products before...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR1uEwjx7VI

Do they know what a ROM even is?

The sources are lost to the ages.
 

Bakercat

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Didn't Nintendo actually download some of these Roms from these download sites and resold for the consumers some time ago?

I remember to read something like that on the old site.

It's been hinted that the Roms on virtual console and the classic console series are Roms that Nintendo didn't rip themselves, but pirated online instead. Pretty hypocritical if true.
 

Dreamwriter

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Oct 27, 2017
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They are a multibillion-dollar corporation they can take on anyone and win without even trying
Nintendo has lost before, when they went after flash cart manufacturers - the court ruled that if the manufacturer doesn't advertise the ability to play illegal roms, it's perfectly legal, so some of the flash cart makers got off scott free.
 

New Fang

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What's weird is Nintendo isn't even trying to sell us SNES Roms. Other than the Classic series of consoles now, which have sold faster than they can make them.
 

Syril

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This is going to be a never-ending story for Nintendo, they can't keep up with the speed at which these ROMs are made available.

It was already like fighting a hydra back when I was in elementary school. I'm in my 30's now.

It's simply too easy to host and share this stuff for them to ever clamp down on it.
 

delete12345

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They want them to "reveal the source" of the ROMs? That makes me think they and their lawyers are clueless.

They used some ancient ripped ROM from the Internet in their own sold products before...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR1uEwjx7VI

Do they know what a ROM even is?

The sources are lost to the ages.
They still own the copyright of the ripped ROMs, even if the source is out in the wild. It's just that no one claimed to be the new owner for those ROMs, and you can't claim them because copyright duration hasn't ended yet (Expect to be around 2075 for the duration to end).
 

Seraphic

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How many times does Nintendo think people should buy the same game from them?
Maybe they are just mad they have 20mil hack-able Switches in the wild and are trying to take their anger out.
 

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How much damage can they do if only 0.5% of the roms out there can be bought legitimately on current Nintendo platforms?
 

Kuga

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How much damage can they do if only 0.5% of the roms out there can be bought legitimately on current Nintendo platforms?
Somebody who downloads a rom for non-archival purposes wouldn't necessarily be willing to pay for a legitimate copy of the rom. So the revenue lost is greater than zero, but indeterminate.
 

AlteredBeast

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Oct 27, 2017
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Going back to Nesticle one of the OG emulators for windows, this has been a losing battle for Nintendo. I understand they want to assert their rights, but it is dumb to do this and then not offer an alternative permanent source for consumers to buy legal copies.

In many aspects, the emulation scene has kept retro nostalgia alive when the manufacturers were keen on burying all that goodness for time immemorial.
 

Amaterasu

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Oct 28, 2017
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Nintendo has been chasing ROM websites for years, nothing special about yet another one getting squashed.

Also, isn't linking to said website in the cut out blurb technically breaking the rules here?
You dont think them suing for 100 million dollars might be a bit of a deterrent?
Edit: whoops, tagged the wrong comment
 

Not

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Yowchies

I guess this serves to discourage general emulation of Nintendo games, but they're wildin if they think it's going away
 

Smash Kirby

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They still own the copyright of the ripped ROMs, even if the source is out in the wild. It's just that no one claimed to be the new owner for those ROMs, and you can't claim them because copyright duration hasn't ended yet (Expect to be around 2075 for the duration to end).
Or whenever Steamboat Willie is in public domain.
 

wolfshirt

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I wish they put half as much effort into releasing old games onto their current platforms as they did taking them down from random romsites.
 

Antitype

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I wonder why they even bother, it's a losing battle, piracy is like a hydra, cut off one of its head and 2 will take its place. So long as they can host their sites in unscrupulous locations, it's never going to change.