The readability improves significantly after you beat the first boss. Those rain effects are rough.
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No Rest for the Wicked Early Access Launch Trailer (Ori devs ARPG) [Early Access Out Now]
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Damn, this killed any interest I had in the game.
This is my biggest problem so far. Can't see as well as third person souls games.
That's odd, because it looked exactly like a Soulslike to me from the very first preview, despite many outlets claiming it's a new "Diablo" type of game. The Souls games are ARPGs as well.
Was interested in this, but I am going to hold off until the full release. There are a lot of complaints about the context exploration with run, jump and dodge all being tied to the same button, the durability system being one of the worst in ages, and the seemingly non-reactivity of enemies getting hit, which makes fighting multiple enemies a nightmare.
Thanks for the list. I've played Sacred and Dungeon Siege games, and they do perfectly fit what you described. I wish there are more games like them, ARPG with more focused on RPG and narrative.
I mean... It is an action RPG game. The fact that it's isometric or "soulslike" doesn't change that.
So I bought a key on DLGamer. Never ordered there, but they seem to be an official reseller. The game was priced 15.90 euros, which was tempting but I should have known better. I activated the key and it was for a game called Goons: Legends & Mayhem. Now I'm waiting for them to reply back lol
I mean Mahler himself compared it to Diablo in his own words, I don't think it's unfair to hold them to that when comparing what it does/doesn't do vs. those games.
It's semantics. The whole reason "soulslike" was invented as a term was because ARPG does not adequately differentiate those games from the rest of the marketplace. It's the same conversation as JRPG vs. "an RPG made in Japan". Just because something technically fits the definition of a thing doesn't mean that people colloquially refer to it as that thing.
While that is true, they talked a lot about the game being an evolution branch from Diablo 1, something different from games like Diablo 4 and Last Epoch. and PoE.
Using language like that can definitely confuse people.
This is from before it was even revealed so maybe they had pivoted on the design of the game. What was the marketing of the style of this game outside of that tweet and the camera perspective? I feel like I knew it was a Soulslike after the official reveal or at least when people got to show off/preview a demo. I will say it does have a lot of ARPG mechanics that seem to go at odds with Soulslike ones.
Are enemies spongy as shit in this game or am I just mad because bad?
Genre delineation and nomenclature is weird, man.
The acronym "ARPG", despite ostensibly being short for "Action RPG", is often used to refer to isometric loot-based games like Diablo instead of Action RPGs in general.
Genre delineation and nomenclature is weird, man.
This was a preview from a month ago, so clearly the misconception carried further than just the initial reveal
No Rest for the Wicked is a gorgeous Diablo-style action-RPG from an acclaimed indie studio
From the studio behind the acclaimed Ori games, No Rest for the Wicked blends Diablo loot and action with Dark Souls combat in a visually stunning world.
www.tweaktown.com
Thanks for this. I think I'm in a very similar mindset as you, and this is a lot of what I wanted to hear. I'm really glad that you don't have to worry about losing XP on death.
I mean even that preview says it has Souls style combat. But sure, other parts of the game such as the loot and town are still more ARPG oriented.This was a preview from a month ago, so clearly the misconception carried further than just the initial reveal
No Rest for the Wicked is a gorgeous Diablo-style action-RPG from an acclaimed indie studio
From the studio behind the acclaimed Ori games, No Rest for the Wicked blends Diablo loot and action with Dark Souls combat in a visually stunning world.
Right, I thought he also did--which might have been the biggest contributor to the confusion--but didn't want to misquote him since I wasn't sure.
Regardless, what they actually showed didn't look anything like a Diablo game to me.
Sounds like a game that could be great, unique, and well-loved that is currently in EA and has warts. Cool! Hope the EA gives them lots of constructive feedback so they can make it awesome.
I would try it out, but the Steam Deck performance is apparently pretty bad rn, so I can wait. Will follow the updates and jump in when it's nice and cooked.
I would try it out, but the Steam Deck performance is apparently pretty bad rn, so I can wait. Will follow the updates and jump in when it's nice and cooked.
Played up to Sacrament at daytime. Really enjoyed it but it's definitely an early access game. Feedback I would have:
- Due to the very low starting stamina and equip load, I felt like my first couple level ups were spent just trying to make my character not feel underpowered. A few points buff to each of these would make the early game more fun imo.
- Fall damage seems way overtuned, which sucks because there's all sorts of sketchy traversal in the game. One wrong move and that's your ass, would very much like to see this be less of an issue. It's like Dark Souls 2 levels of punishing.
- Animations for chopping trees down, mining ore, etc. are way too long. It should be like 1-2 swings of the weapon. Total waste of time.
- Timers for building improvements to the town feel scummy, like why? Just make them instant.
- Will there be a safety net for if a player completely runs out of healing items so that they don't have to grind?
the team put out a post on Steam saying they intended on adding a pause option when playing solo.
That sounds great.
How about the ability to see things? My other gripe with Dark Souls was I couldn't see, and I see people complaining about being unable to see. I mean, I feel like asking to be able to see isn't asking for too much. Sekiro was great because outside of 1 small area, I could see everything clearly.
I agree with a lot of this, especially the two points I just bolded. I was surprised at how much damage the character can take for falling instead of using a ladder near the first boss
Videos look a bit rough. Dont mind the punishing combat, but it does look too slow in the videos I saw (for my tastes). Poor durability with unforgiving stamina drain seems a bit over the top, in just observing.
Going to just hold off for now and circle back in a few months at least, and may just end up waiting for full release and decide then.
Going to just hold off for now and circle back in a few months at least, and may just end up waiting for full release and decide then.
Played for 30 minutes, i dig it
Performance could be better, and I don't like how there's no option to remove the stamina bar; i find it kind of distracting how it appears next to the main character
I do dig how the combat is slow and weighty, this really does feel to me like what it was described as - ARPG with Souls-y combat
Performance could be better, and I don't like how there's no option to remove the stamina bar; i find it kind of distracting how it appears next to the main character
I do dig how the combat is slow and weighty, this really does feel to me like what it was described as - ARPG with Souls-y combat
Checking out early access and one of my issues are enemies are damage sponges. In From games it only takes a couple hits in the first enemies you encounter. Even latter enemies can really be killed in a few hits: But in here it takes over 10 hits just to kill the first enemies. Now that also means it takes a lot of hits to kill you also. But they can balance the game so enemies don't take so long to kill, while making you a little more vulnerable to balance things out.
There's a lot of else I like about it though.
Edit: nvm just seems it was that opening area. Only takes a few hits for enemies after.
There's a lot of else I like about it though.
Edit: nvm just seems it was that opening area. Only takes a few hits for enemies after.
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Just got a crazy unique gold weapon. Crazy moveset ridiculous damage and cool skills. I am starting to get a lot of purple(cursed) gear to drop as well and stuff is getting interesting. So far my curses have been less stamina(no sir) and less xp gain lol. I'm a fat rolling STR build right now and having a blast running around the world. It's def early and needs some optimization but I love the combat and loot.
I wasn't sure to go Dex of Str. I ended up going Dex and kind of regret it. Still the moves and the weight of everything feels really great. Even when I'm step dashing around enemies. The two-bladed back execution is amazing.
I hate that for you. But god the title of that game fucking wrecked me. Lololol.
My eyes widened like balloons when I saw the name of the game I had just activated lmao
when people say "action rpg" these days, they mean a very specific kind, usually the Diablo-kind.
it is what it is.
I have always seen the Diablo styled games (primarily isometric) being labeled as ARPGs while any RPG with real-time combat has been labeled as an Action RPG. Despite both "ARPG" and "Action RPG" technically being the exact same umbrella genre, the way they are labeled is different. No idea what "these days" means either, unless you literally mean the past week.
This game kind of fits into both of those labels, yet clearly favors one more than the other.
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Have I hit content complete when
I get access to the rogue-like area that Elsa unlocks? haven't happened upon any other quests though the world state has changed and everything is hard again.
Definitely can't say I expected the Ori developers to design a combat system that doesn't feel good to play. Which is why this is early access so hopefully they get some good feedback.
I think there's room for calling it an ARPG in the vein of Diablo, PoE etc. For me what defines the genre is more the progression, builds and replayability, and loot than the combat. I haven't played enough of this game to say whether it can live up to that, but I wouldn't just rule it out if the devs say that's what they're going for.
In general I don't play Diablo like games but I got this because I love the artstyle and it's from Moon Studio (I absolutely loved Ori games). I only played maybe an hour switching between Steam Deck native and streaming on Deck from PC. To me game is ok. Judging stamina and few other things after an hour or two in RPG is always kinda stupid to me. Until progression starts to kick in you really can't judge many things. And to me game is not as punishing as Souls games and kinda not as hard as them either so calling this Souls like is bit strange to me. Overall I think that this will be absolutely awesome game when they do full release.
I am, but I use DSX to emulate Xbox controller. The game doesn't recognize DS controller otherwise.
I've played about 3 hours, and haven't had an issue with visibility. I'm also playing at 1440p and on an OLED monitor. Everything that is interact-able has a visual indicator, a light glow, a spark, etc.
With steam input enabled I had full functionality with my Dual Sense Edge. The only gripe I have is the button prompts being Xbox, but they mentioned they intend to add PS prompt soon.
Oh Steam input works too, but I'm just used to DSX for now.