Just put those people on the ignore list, the vast majority of the posters here appreciate your input a lot.
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NPD November 2017: Call of duty WW2 #1 SW, PS4 #1 HW
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Ah, I actually didn't even realize what Benji had said, i just jumped in on the last page and saw what was going on. I do know of the other poster's history, but I was lacking the context. It makes sense now.
Wouldn't there have to be a sudden upswing in BRIC nations to help PS4 close the gap on PS2? Japan isn't there anymore as a domestic market. Wouldn't surprise me if North American and European sales hit the same heights though. The price curve has been better than PS3 from the start.
The fact that PS4 is keeping the pace of PS2 while Japan is way behind means the ROTW sales are bigger than back then for now.
PS2 had astonishing long legs. Launch aligned Wii for example was above PS2 for many years. It is the tremendous sales numbers of the PS2's last couple of years which makes it (almost) impossible to beat. Especially in a market environment with 3 healthy competitors. And that BRIC upswing you talk about already happened. Just led to 1% of China playing PUBG on PC.
I think there may be some misunderstandings or something is being lost in translation.
My read of the other poster is that he believes that Benji's data either under represents the PS4 and Xbox One or over represents the Switch based on the results of last month. I don't necessarily think that means that doubt is being thrown about or that said data is isn't valuable.
My read of the other poster is that he believes that Benji's data either under represents the PS4 and Xbox One or over represents the Switch based on the results of last month. I don't necessarily think that means that doubt is being thrown about or that said data is isn't valuable.
In regards to this, its certainly possible, especially during this time of year. We are talking about such a large number of units moving things can be dicey to try and predict how other areas are playing out.
I'll say things would have to be strongly, strongly, skewed for Switch to not be a clear number 1, but that is possible. I believe Xbox and PS4 are a tad underrepresented in my current data yes which is why I'm not giving guidance on them.
Can't believe some are still doubting your insights, when you also make it clear it's just from your (large) corner of retailers.
I think that both PS4 and XB1 will do respectable business, but will be down mom due to the insane promos and period of BF.
I think Switch is looking at some very nice numbers probably.
My Dec prediction is thus
NSW. 1.5m
PS4 1.3m
XB1 1.1m
I completely understand. As always, your insight is much appreciated.
This. i believe he has data, but don't believe it will match what npd is showing. based on the numbers he's seeing last month. his numbers obviously weren't showing 2:1 ps4 sales over switch or anywhere near that, other wise he would never give a realistic scenerio of switch winning November after black friday.
Doom S at 60k and LA Noire at 86k across all platforms is interesting... different SKU prices means their revenue is very very similar
My one takeaway is I've for sure been providing too much info so I plan to heavily back off moving forward. I love the sales community and I will continue to provide some minor insight, but the fact we can have this much discussion around the info that I'm providing is really all the proof I need I've been too open with it.
This isn't any sort of "punishment" but more me realizing I've been too forthcoming and that sort of thing could come back to bite me in the ass. So I need to provide significantly less moving forward.
This isn't any sort of "punishment" but more me realizing I've been too forthcoming and that sort of thing could come back to bite me in the ass. So I need to provide significantly less moving forward.
I think it look that way since last month both Sony and MS had record months .
You said they would be over a million ( i think that was given because last 2 years data )
But they were way over a million lol .
Yes, I know, launching on fewer platforms was probably a factor. In the end with pc instead of last gen, the game is getting bigger
I read your post before the edit. Don't worry, your post in November where clear and quite correct in the end with PS4 nuking from orbit.
If someone understood differently it's not your fault.
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The below is for everyone in this thread to read.
Banji is indeed a position where he has access to data that would allow him to have a general overview of the US retail market for console hardware and software. He has proven that to me personally.
Benji also adds a disclaimer to his posts (see the one a few posts up) about how he doesn't have 100% visibility like NPD do.
Benji is taking time out of his day to share his insight based on the data he has access to. There is no need to continually question him, especially when he has answered you plenty of times.
Doing so only means he is less likely to post here. Need I remind you that his insights last month were extremely useful and ended up being correct.
It will be interesting to see what conclusions Rockstar will make of it. Given the data that we have, it is likely that LA Noire Switch is the 2nd best selling SKU at retail.
GTA V Switch would be so interesting to see.
oh wow completely missed this.
so that's doom switch doing 60k in nov with no digital assuming I'm reading it right.
Sigh.
It's sad that it's come to this, but I understand.
I hope you won't also back off from posting, we always appreciate your insights, data or not
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Hmm, I wonder how Bethseda is viewing this? I also wonder how Skyrim has done on Switch.
Of course I will continue posting. I absolutely love talking about the sales industry and wouldn't ever leave permanently unless forced to. I respect the vast majority of the community and hell some like Welfare are some of the best brains I've ever seen in terms of giving valuable insight. I would hate to not be involved with being able to discuss the industry with people like that.
According to the same source, a little over 100k in less than 10 days.
Thanks a lot, indeed /s(igh)
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Hope you'll still join now and then. And leave some bread crumbs when you do... ;)
John always include digital in his numbers. So yeah 60K for Doom include digital. To me this looks like a ok result.
I'm more impressed by the 86K from LA Noire... that's looks good.
Oh don't worry I will. Like I said I really like talking with everyone and I know / remember what its like to have no data and how frustrating it can be when you are interested in delving into the industry. That's the whole reason I share what I do is to give back just like there were those that gave to me when I wasn't in a position to well have any sort of info.
Its just more like specifics with my November ranking / estimates with over under a million on certain hardware. I'm not sure giving something that detailed is a smart move in the long run. Its something I will have to think a little more on before repeating again.
Concussion is that you can't sell a bad game twice to same users (PS3-PS4-X360-XBO).
Were there any sellouts on your end?The Nintendo Switch Entertainment System
umm hard to believe that much of a turn around from November. I'm not sure what's fan boyish about the statement . it's just my prediction.
Nintendo historically performs much better in December, I don't know what is hard to believe.
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Lets cut through the BS for a second here. The only reason you started calling Benji into question was because he said Switch is having a good December.
Before he said that you had no issues at all. You even agreed with what he posted before and trusted him before.
Anyway. I already made my point in the posts above. Let's get this thread back on topic.
Benji hey, who knows, besides avoiding this career destroying thingy talking about sales developments in general (without being questioned all the time about actual numbers) might be become more relaxing and more enjoyable for you anyhow. Btw, the ignore function in this forum is quite potent. Just sayin.
But Bethesda doesn't provide digital sales for NPD.
Is it really a bad game tho ? It is certainly flawed but there is not much games in this very genre and the characters genuinely feel alife.
Thanks for vouching for him. I was concerned where this conversation was going.
Nope i always had a problem with switch having realistic scenario of winning, when it was out sold by 850k. but he already explained this, so we'll see this month how accurate his numbers are to npd.
I hear ya, and I've been tested to use it trust me. But I've never put another forum member on "Ignore" on either this forum or the "old forum". Thing is its good to be challenged on your viewpoints on things and who knows, someone I put on ignore may very well end up having a great post / view that I need to see. Even if I've heavily disagreed with them on things in the past.
Honestly its all good. This was a smart lesson to hold back more and as you said, the upside is considerably less stress on my shoulders.
Also thank you Aquamarine for the kind words. Its always great to see you posting!
Another reason why fanboys are why we can't have nice things.
It's like the mere fact someone has access to data you don't means you have to be an ass.
Less stress on leakers is a good thing however so Benji not detailing more info makes their life easier.
It's like the mere fact someone has access to data you don't means you have to be an ass.
Less stress on leakers is a good thing however so Benji not detailing more info makes their life easier.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing! Could you indicate your opinion on the DOOM performance and perhaps how it compares with the OG release numbers? Fully understand if you can't share that, of course!
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