the air flowing upwards is exactly why im looking for a great AIO water cooler.
the air flowing upwards is exactly why im looking for a great AIO water cooler.
PSA - GPUs are why we're here, but don't let your RAM kit hurt your performance.
While I have your attention 😎 your new GPUs will give you massive performance improvement, be sure not to skimp on the quality of your memory. Cheap memory or memory with poor performance can cost you as much as 15% max FPS potential and as much as 75% on your 99%ile lows, depending on the game. Particularly if you're on a Ryzen system.
Have a look at this graph:
We can clearly see the impact a budget kit of memory can potentially have on your gaming experience. In this example, going from a basic DDR4-2666 memory to a just a stock 3200 CL 14 kit provides +8% uplift in max framerates and a +67% uplift in 99th %ile minimum frames, the later of which many would argue is the more important stat, as those are the drops you feel as microstutter.
Now let's have a look at one more example:
Have a good look at that graph. This is performance uplift by just manually improving the timings on the same kit of memory. In Shadow of the Tomb Raider, that translates to a +22% uplift on 99th %ile minimum framerates and +10% max framerates. On BF5, we see a 35% uplift on the 99th %ile minimum framerates and +10% uplift on max framerates.
If you were to compare the tuned 3800 memory to the basic-bitch 2600 memory, you're seeing an eye-watering +218% uplift on the 99th %ile minimum framerates and a +19% uplift on max framerates. I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone in this thread how much people would pay to get +20% frames alone (some here are are about to drop +$800 for ~20% gains in a 3090). All by making sure your memory kit is decent and taking a little time out to make sure it's tuned.
TLDR: If you are currently using a budget DDR-4 2666/3000 memory kit to get by, you may be cheating yourself out of a lot of gaming performance right now and certainly in the future with your next GPU by sticking with that memory. Impact can vary from game to game, but more often than not, budget ram can have a serious impact on your gaming experience, especially if you're looking to game at high frame rates. Look to upgrade when you can afford to. Now is a good time to get ready to do so as RAM prices continue to fall.
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AMD system users: get yourself the best 3600 ram kit you can afford, with the lowest timings you can afford. 3600, CL16 or better. The lower the timings, the more likely you can tune them even lower. And make sure to use your motherboard's QVL list to ensure the memory is going to be compatible. If it's not listed for your mobo by its manufacturer and or not listed on the memory manufacturer's websites, keep searching. This isn't a requirement, but it's the best guide as it ensures there is an XMP profile for your memory and ensures that *someone* has tested the ram kit you're considering and verified it works. If you're going for a new Zen 3 CPU, you might want to hold until we know what kind of Infinity Fabric timing changes mean for ram kit recommendations.
Intel system users: The fastest kit you can afford that is approved for your motherboard at the lowest timings = best performance. Simple.
So yea, if you're about to spend $700+ on a GPU, please make sure your system is well-rounded and is not being bottlenecked by your memory kit.
This has been your PSA for today. Back to the prelaunch party. And happy memory shopping for those of you who are about to upgrade. 🥳
While I have your attention 😎 your new GPUs will give you massive performance improvement, be sure not to skimp on the quality of your memory. Cheap memory or memory with poor performance can cost you as much as 15% max FPS potential and as much as 75% on your 99%ile lows, depending on the game. Particularly if you're on a Ryzen system.
Have a look at this graph:
We can clearly see the impact a budget kit of memory can potentially have on your gaming experience. In this example, going from a basic DDR4-2666 memory to a just a stock 3200 CL 14 kit provides +8% uplift in max framerates and a +67% uplift in 99th %ile minimum frames, the later of which many would argue is the more important stat, as those are the drops you feel as microstutter.
Now let's have a look at one more example:
Have a good look at that graph. This is performance uplift by just manually improving the timings on the same kit of memory. In Shadow of the Tomb Raider, that translates to a +22% uplift on 99th %ile minimum framerates and +10% max framerates. On BF5, we see a 35% uplift on the 99th %ile minimum framerates and +10% uplift on max framerates.
If you were to compare the tuned 3800 memory to the basic-bitch 2600 memory, you're seeing an eye-watering +218% uplift on the 99th %ile minimum framerates and a +19% uplift on max framerates. I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone in this thread how much people would pay to get +20% frames alone (some here are are about to drop +$800 for ~20% gains in a 3090). All by making sure your memory kit is decent and taking a little time out to make sure it's tuned.
TLDR: If you are currently using a budget DDR-4 2666/3000 memory kit to get by, you may be cheating yourself out of a lot of gaming performance right now and certainly in the future with your next GPU by sticking with that memory. Impact can vary from game to game, but more often than not, budget ram can have a serious impact on your gaming experience, especially if you're looking to game at high frame rates. Look to upgrade when you can afford to. Now is a good time to get ready to do so as RAM prices continue to fall.
RAM and SSD prices will soon plummet due to oversupply and weak demand
"Despite the traditional peak season for electronics sales and the release of Apple's new iPhones in 3Q20, the quarterly decline in NAND flash ASP will likely...
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AMD system users: get yourself the best 3600 ram kit you can afford, with the lowest timings you can afford. 3600, CL16 or better. The lower the timings, the more likely you can tune them even lower. And make sure to use your motherboard's QVL list to ensure the memory is going to be compatible. If it's not listed for your mobo by its manufacturer and or not listed on the memory manufacturer's websites, keep searching. This isn't a requirement, but it's the best guide as it ensures there is an XMP profile for your memory and ensures that *someone* has tested the ram kit you're considering and verified it works. If you're going for a new Zen 3 CPU, you might want to hold until we know what kind of Infinity Fabric timing changes mean for ram kit recommendations.
Intel system users: The fastest kit you can afford that is approved for your motherboard at the lowest timings = best performance. Simple.
So yea, if you're about to spend $700+ on a GPU, please make sure your system is well-rounded and is not being bottlenecked by your memory kit.
This has been your PSA for today. Back to the prelaunch party. And happy memory shopping for those of you who are about to upgrade. 🥳
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That 3600 RAM looking like a better investment by the day.PSA - GPUs are why we're here, but don't let your RAM kit hurt your performance.
While I have your attention 😎 your new GPUs will give you massive performance improvement, be sure not to skimp on the quality of your memory. Cheap memory or memory with poor performance can cost you as much as 15% max FPS potential and as much as 75% on your 99%ile lows, depending on the game. Particularly if you're on a Ryzen system.
Have a look at this graph:
We can clearly see the impact a budget kit of memory can potentially have on your gaming experience. In this example, going from a basic DDR4-2666 memory to a just a stock 3200 CL 14 kit provides +8% uplift in max framerates and a +67% uplift in 99th %ile minimum frames, the later of which many would argue is the more important stat, as those are the drops you feel as microstutter.
Now let's have a look at one more example:
Have a good look at that graph. This is performance uplift by just manually improving the timings on the same kit of memory. In Shadow of the Tomb Raider, that translates to a +22% uplift on 99th %ile minimum framerates and +10% max framerates. On BF5, we see a 35% uplift on the 99th %ile minimum framerates and +10% uplift on max framerates.
If you were to compare the tuned 3800 memory to the basic-bitch 2600 memory, you're seeing an eye-watering +218% uplift on the 99th %tile minimum framerates and a +19% uplift on max framerates. I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone in this thread how much people would pay to get +20% frames alone (some here are are about to drop +$800 for ~20% gains in a 3090). All by making sure your memory kit is decent.
TLDR: If you are currently using a budget DDR-4 2666/3000 memory kit to get by, you may be cheating yourself out of a lot of gaming performance right now and certainly in the future with your next GPU by sticking with that memory. Impact can vary from game to game, but more often than not, budget ram can have a serious impact on your gaming experience. Look to upgrade when you can afford to. Now is a good time to get ready to do so as RAM prices continue to fall.
RAM and SSD prices will soon plummet due to oversupply and weak demand
"Despite the traditional peak season for electronics sales and the release of Apple's new iPhones in 3Q20, the quarterly decline in NAND flash ASP will likely...
AMD system users: get yourself the best 3600 ram kit you can afford, with the lowest timings you can afford. 3600, CL16 or better. The lower the timings, the more likely you can tune them even lower. And make sure to use your motherboard's QVL list to ensure the memory is going to be compatible. If it's not listed for your mobo by its manufacturer and or not listed on the memory manufacturer's websites, keep searching. This isn't a requirement, but it's the best guide as it ensures there is an XMP profile for your memory and ensures that *someone* has tested the ram kit you're considering and verified it works.
Intel system users: The fastest kit you can afford that is approved for your motherboard at the lowest timings = best performance. Simple.
So yea, if you're about to spend $700+ on a GPU, please make sure your system is well-rounded and is not being bottlenecked by your memory kit.
This has been your PSA for today. Back to the prelaunch party. And happy memory shopping for those of you who are about to upgrade. 🥳
you did good
I hope we have release dates for AIO GPU options soon, but it may be awhile. But those of you with small cases don't really have much choice but to wait.
Running Ryzen or Intel?
For Ryzen I recommend Arctic's Liquid Freezer II 280 or 360
For Intel I recommend NZXT's X73 / Z73 or X63 / Z63 as well as Corsair's H150i or H100i.
RDR 2, Cyberpunk 2077, Control....those are the top 3 games I can think of at the moment.
PSA - GPUs are why we're here, but don't let your RAM kit hurt your performance.
While I have your attention 😎 your new GPUs will give you massive performance improvement, be sure not to skimp on the quality of your memory. Cheap memory or memory with poor performance can cost you as much as 15% max FPS potential and as much as 75% on your 99%ile lows, depending on the game. Particularly if you're on a Ryzen system.
Have a look at this graph:
We can clearly see the impact a budget kit of memory can potentially have on your gaming experience. In this example, going from a basic DDR4-2666 memory to a just a stock 3200 CL 14 kit provides +8% uplift in max framerates and a +67% uplift in 99th %ile minimum frames, the later of which many would argue is the more important stat, as those are the drops you feel as microstutter.
Now let's have a look at one more example:
Have a good look at that graph. This is performance uplift by just manually improving the timings on the same kit of memory. In Shadow of the Tomb Raider, that translates to a +22% uplift on 99th %ile minimum framerates and +10% max framerates. On BF5, we see a 35% uplift on the 99th %ile minimum framerates and +10% uplift on max framerates.
If you were to compare the tuned 3800 memory to the basic-bitch 2600 memory, you're seeing an eye-watering +218% uplift on the 99th %ile minimum framerates and a +19% uplift on max framerates. I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone in this thread how much people would pay to get +20% frames alone (some here are are about to drop +$800 for ~20% gains in a 3090). All by making sure your memory kit is decent and taking a little time out to make sure it's tuned.
TLDR: If you are currently using a budget DDR-4 2666/3000 memory kit to get by, you may be cheating yourself out of a lot of gaming performance right now and certainly in the future with your next GPU by sticking with that memory. Impact can vary from game to game, but more often than not, budget ram can have a serious impact on your gaming experience. Look to upgrade when you can afford to. Now is a good time to get ready to do so as RAM prices continue to fall.
RAM and SSD prices will soon plummet due to oversupply and weak demand
"Despite the traditional peak season for electronics sales and the release of Apple's new iPhones in 3Q20, the quarterly decline in NAND flash ASP will likely...
AMD system users: get yourself the best 3600 ram kit you can afford, with the lowest timings you can afford. 3600, CL16 or better. The lower the timings, the more likely you can tune them even lower. And make sure to use your motherboard's QVL list to ensure the memory is going to be compatible. If it's not listed for your mobo by its manufacturer and or not listed on the memory manufacturer's websites, keep searching. This isn't a requirement, but it's the best guide as it ensures there is an XMP profile for your memory and ensures that *someone* has tested the ram kit you're considering and verified it works. If you're going for a new Zen 3 CPU, you might want to hold until we know what kind of Infinity Fabric timing changes mean for ram kit recommendations.
Intel system users: The fastest kit you can afford that is approved for your motherboard at the lowest timings = best performance. Simple.
So yea, if you're about to spend $700+ on a GPU, please make sure your system is well-rounded and is not being bottlenecked by your memory kit.
This has been your PSA for today. Back to the prelaunch party. And happy memory shopping for those of you who are about to upgrade. 🥳
Good thing I was able to overclock my Crucial Ballistix memory last night. Went from 3000 MHz CL15 to 3600 MHz CL16 last night, and managed to get it stable.
casual 80%-100% performance uplift. the improvement in minimums/lows is...lawd.
nothing to see here!
edit: bruh, the Super dropped as low as 35fps. The 3080 never dropped below 90fps that I noticed. Lawd.
my man. grats on the OC.
Damn man. They weren't lying. 75~100% performance gain on a 2080 Super.
Seriously, this is Maxwell to Pascal all over again.
The hype continues to build.
Intel. funny enough i just installed a H100i in my sons rig on Monday. He chose it cause it fit his color scheme.
H150i Pro looks right up my alley. Thank you.
Ha sounds like your son picked out a good cooler.
You are welcome. For the H150i, my understanding is the Pro version is preferred because of the nicer fans.
RIP for those who bought a 2080S/2080ti in the last 2-3 months and can't return it now.
OMG this is ridiculous haha. At that point, just add 1 more slot to install CPU & RAM and you have a PC that is just a GPU.
With the 3090, you mount the GPU on the motherboard or do you mount the motherboard on the GPU?
honestly, I'd be ok with that. MB manufacturers build GPUs so just go all out and build an ITX MB into the GPU. Work with a case manufacturer to build a custom case for it, and give it a simple PSU - I'd take an external brick with a single connector to the GPUPC
Why the difference between AIO due to Intel or AMD? I'm using an X63 with my Ryzen that seems fine. I had the X52 previously (and moved it to my ITX build) and thought it was good. Really, the one thing I don't like about the x63 vs the x52 is that the x5-series had the radiatior fans connected to the pump housing so the entire setup was controlled by the NZXT software, but the newer versions require the rad fans to be connected elsewhere (either a separate controller or mobo fan headers), which is annoying merely because now I've got to manage fan curves in two different places/software.
Warning: be sure to check the specs and ensure that the Arctic's rad isn't too fat for your case. I wanted to put my new Liquid Freezer II at the top of my case, but it's definitely too thick. I'm going to have to front mount it. Not a problem, but I wanted to reserve the front for a 360 rad for the GPU.
Ultimately, I may end up selling it and going with a full open loop with a thin 280mm at the top and a 360 in the front. Only way to really maximize my cooling potential.
Ryzen is more sensitive to temps.
The Liquid Freezer is objectively the better cooler, but isn't as sexy. The Intel systems aren't as sensitive and can get away some tradeoff performance for better looks. Liquid Freezer = demonstrably higher clocks.
r/nvidia - 6am PST release time confirmed by NV Tim.
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Have loved my 2080 Super but this confirms that I'll be upgrading to the 3080 haha. Lordy that almost 100% FPS increase!
r/nvidia - 6am PST release time confirmed by NV Tim.
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Looks like I'm setting an alarm for 8am EST on the 17th!!
I have Crysis, Crysis 3@4k, Witcher 2 (Ubsersampling, Gadosato 8k), Witcher 3@4k, and a demoscene release called Hartverdrahtet (8xSS version). First game I will play all the way through is the Mafia Remake.
Control DLC
Metro: Exodus
Minecraft RTX
Doom Eternal
Watch Dogs: Legion
Cyberpunk 2077
Probably in that order.
Got a busy couple of months once this releases 😃
gonna try to play rdr2 again and flight sim. performance in flight sim isn't even too bad rn considering the scope, but i want to play 4k :)
The difference in IHS size / design as well as CCX layout. The Arctic cold plate does a better job covering Ryzen than Intel. And asetek based pumps are designed for Intel IHS.
9:00am est. My Body is Readyr/nvidia - 6am PST release time confirmed by NV Tim.
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I'm not even kidding. Ampere will finally let me use 4K/120 on my OLED ; __ ;
Dunno if it's been shared yet, but looks like the new FE coolers do have fan stop! Thank goodness too, that was one of the only things I hated with the 2080S FE.
What is the source of this?PSA - GPUs are why we're here, but don't let your RAM kit hurt your performance.
While I have your attention 😎 your new GPUs will give you massive performance improvement, be sure not to skimp on the quality of your memory. Cheap memory or memory with poor performance can cost you as much as 15% max FPS potential and as much as 75% on your 99%ile lows, depending on the game. Particularly if you're on a Ryzen system.
Have a look at this graph:
We can clearly see the impact a budget kit of memory can potentially have on your gaming experience. In this example, going from a basic DDR4-2666 memory to a just a stock 3200 CL 14 kit provides +8% uplift in max framerates and a +67% uplift in 99th %ile minimum frames, the later of which many would argue is the more important stat, as those are the drops you feel as microstutter.
Now let's have a look at one more example:
Have a good look at that graph. This is performance uplift by just manually improving the timings on the same kit of memory. In Shadow of the Tomb Raider, that translates to a +22% uplift on 99th %ile minimum framerates and +10% max framerates. On BF5, we see a 35% uplift on the 99th %ile minimum framerates and +10% uplift on max framerates.
If you were to compare the tuned 3800 memory to the basic-bitch 2600 memory, you're seeing an eye-watering +218% uplift on the 99th %ile minimum framerates and a +19% uplift on max framerates. I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone in this thread how much people would pay to get +20% frames alone (some here are are about to drop +$800 for ~20% gains in a 3090). All by making sure your memory kit is decent and taking a little time out to make sure it's tuned.
TLDR: If you are currently using a budget DDR-4 2666/3000 memory kit to get by, you may be cheating yourself out of a lot of gaming performance right now and certainly in the future with your next GPU by sticking with that memory. Impact can vary from game to game, but more often than not, budget ram can have a serious impact on your gaming experience, especially if you're looking to game at high frame rates. Look to upgrade when you can afford to. Now is a good time to get ready to do so as RAM prices continue to fall.
RAM and SSD prices will soon plummet due to oversupply and weak demand
"Despite the traditional peak season for electronics sales and the release of Apple's new iPhones in 3Q20, the quarterly decline in NAND flash ASP will likely...
AMD system users: get yourself the best 3600 ram kit you can afford, with the lowest timings you can afford. 3600, CL16 or better. The lower the timings, the more likely you can tune them even lower. And make sure to use your motherboard's QVL list to ensure the memory is going to be compatible. If it's not listed for your mobo by its manufacturer and or not listed on the memory manufacturer's websites, keep searching. This isn't a requirement, but it's the best guide as it ensures there is an XMP profile for your memory and ensures that *someone* has tested the ram kit you're considering and verified it works. If you're going for a new Zen 3 CPU, you might want to hold until we know what kind of Infinity Fabric timing changes mean for ram kit recommendations.
Intel system users: The fastest kit you can afford that is approved for your motherboard at the lowest timings = best performance. Simple.
So yea, if you're about to spend $700+ on a GPU, please make sure your system is well-rounded and is not being bottlenecked by your memory kit.
This has been your PSA for today. Back to the prelaunch party. And happy memory shopping for those of you who are about to upgrade. 🥳
I'd like to know what are the improvements of faster memory at higher resolutions, 1080p is a bit low for me.
Elite: Dangerous in VR. Max settings, 2X HMD image quality and 2X Super Sampling.
Those slides can be found here:
To answer your question, maximum framerate improvements at high resolutions are currently bottlenecked by current GPUs. 2080s and 2080Tis struggle at 4K above 90fps or so, regardless of your CPU -or- Memory. As such, charts above 1080p/720p on 2080S/Ti's or lower are unhelpful for demonstrating the performance potential being lost. The only way to test is to eliminate potential bottlenecks, hence the 1080p/720p testing.
The examples in that post should provide you perspective for games/resolutions that are not (or are less) GPU-bound with a 3080/3090.
We need more sleeved 12pin cables!
Red Dead Redemption 2 is getting launched first, then I'm going to play these games too:
Grand Theft Auto V, Control, The Witcher 3, Final Fantasy XV, Death Stranding, Overwatch, Fortnite, Watch Dogs 2, Resident Evil 2, Forza Horizon 4, Doom Eternal, The Division 2, Assassin's Creed Unity, Assassin's Creed Origins and Assassin's Creed Odyssey, lol I can't wait!
The charts are from a linus tech tips video but this is well known for Ryzen. Ryzen loves fast memory. Intel it doesn't matter as much. My 3950x is set to 1900 fclk and samsung b-die memory set to 3800 cl16. Seems stable so far.
Edit: you want to maintain fclk:memclk ratio of 1:1 for optimal performance. Ryzen 3000 can run up to 1900 / 3800 but not every memory controller can so it's best to shoot for 1800/3600. Ryzen 2000 can run up to 3200. Can't remember Ryzen 1000 series.
I already have the monitor I need: a refurbished Predator X27 I bought direct from Acer.
$1200 after tax for one of the absolute best monitors money can buy. Mind, I'm going for the 3080 so I'll have ended up spending more on the monitor than the GPU, but I am very satisfied with my purchase even though I can only current drive it with my old 1080 Ti. When your monitor does literally everything the experience is just unmatched. Only downsides are that it's not ultrawide and not curved, both of which are really minor in light of the sheer amazingness of 4k HDR 120 FPS with G-sync.
I've been oscillating between the two myself. I still use a 1080p60 monitor and don't intend to upgrade until 4K + decent HDR with FALD + HRR stops costing, well, more than the 3090 itself, so as of this moment, I'm leaning towards opting for the 3080 and putting the money saved towards upgrading to Ryzen 4000.
what is the reason behind going with a 12 pin connector? what's so bad about just putting 2x8 in? the adapter just seems like a hassle.
Is this really true?
I agree that without directstorage and fast SSDs, 10Gb is not enough, but is it enough with those 2 techs? The jump from "guaranteed 3MBps for small files and 100MBps for large files" to "guaranteed 30MBps for small files and 4000MBps for large files is an extremely mighty jump!
We have not seen the likes of such a jump of such magnitude in how long?
Since the transition of floppy to CD? The transition from 2D renderers to Glide 3DFX?
Rumors swirling in from trusted sources saying that top-end Navi 2 should be able to compete with 3080 on rasterization at least, and with more VRAM... hmm, if stock is going to be an issue, it might not be a bad idea to wait to see what AMD has to show.
i'm buying a 3080 for Cyberpunk and Flight Simulator.
so yeah the first game i'm gonna load up is Flight Sim. got it capped at 30fps right now and it dips to 20fps sometimes.... on medium/high settings. i think the game looks fine as it is but it'd be nice to be able to hit 60fps but i doubt it.
are these cards gonna have raytracing ?
i think i'd rather wait to get hold of a 3080 (for DLSS and better RTX?). vram isn't gonna be an issue.
Dear lord, I just got me a 1440p/144hz monitor so the 3080 looks perfect for it. I wonder how much stronger the 3090 is gonna be over the 3080.
I wish they would just show it, then.
Why let Nvidia have all this attention? It would be trivial to pull some of that Nvidia buyer audience away if they had something equally competitive, with more RAM and an answer to some of these software features Nvidia has been touting.
Once people drop their money, it's too late for AMD. If they have it, now's the time to impress us. Not after we've all bought 3080s and 3090s.
it's a modular PSU so plug in 2x8pin VGA cables then plug them into the 12pin adapter. put that in your GPU. easy.
btw recommended PSU is 750W for both 3080/3090. evga make top quality PSU but depends what the rest of your system is.
Yeah, they'll have RT - we don't know how well compared to nVidia, though. Likely at least a bit worse.
Agreed. AMD needs to say *something* before 3080 launch - they have to.