That dirt/dust looks like sand in your case...lol
Hopefully better for the cables. Not much room tbh
They are going to have to rewrite the spec it is just too much current for the practical contact and bend stability of the connector. Furthermore the metal pins on the GPU insert into a folded socket that reduces contact by splitting the socket when any leverage is applied just like the 8 pin, just smaller with more current.
All the top pins are burning because those are all the 12V connection. Ensure those are the ones being secured the most.
While th 8 pin connector had 3 12V connections.
Literally doubling the current through much smaller contact area.
Just found out the Asus TUF has its power plug flipped upside down so stuff like this Seasonic adapter wouldn't even work with it because the cable would go out the wrong side. This and the be quiet 12VHPWR cable having issues just makes me want to return all my stuff while I still can and come back at a later date when proper ATX 3.0 PSUs are out. Maybe by then I can figure out a card model that has less coil whine as well.
I was already set on waiting for AMD's move before getting my new GPU, but this whole 12-pin nonsense is likely gonna have me stick with team red just for peace of mind. What a nightmare!
ATX 3.0 PSUs are going are just going to increase the likelihood of this being an issue because it puts this same connector on the PSU end.
This all speculation on your part. In a circuit the current has to loop so if there is a connection issue, it will affect all the pins including the ground pins. Second of all, you are basically assuming that all of this effort by Nvidia and their AIBs is done by a bunch of idiots and you are somehow know more than everyone from their team. The reality is that this issue is extremely blown out of proportion. And from the issues we have seen online, we don't know how much power their cards were really pulling. They could be using custom BIOS for all we care. And the pics indicate that the connector is pulled to the side. We have YET to see a connector with the recommended bend have issues melting.They are going to have to rewrite the spec it is just too much current for the practical contact and bend stability of the connector. Furthermore the metal pins on the GPU insert into a folded socket that reduces contact by splitting the socket when any leverage is applied just like the 8 pin, just smaller with more current.
All the top pins are burning because those are all the 12V connection. Ensure those are the ones being secured the most.
While th 8 pin connector had 3 12V connections.
Literally doubling the current through much smaller contact area.
Also Gamer Nexus just did a world record run with the 4090 with that very same connector pulling in probably twice the amount of power the regular bios allows. Their connector didn't melt.
View: https://imgur.com/a/581vNCZ
View: https://imgur.com/a/TDatxM0
Ok this is how my cables look. I dont think I am in danger? Nothing going horizontal at all.
For the... none of you out there with a Hyte Y60, here's the GPU clearance. I took off the glass panel to show it better. It's maybe 1.5cm. GPU at stock runs at around 66-68c with the default fan curve on full load.
ICue can control the FE LED. That's cool. I have it synced up with the rest of my lights :)
Cable situation still isn't perfect. But it's better. I know the issue is some of the pins not making full contact when it's turned. So I'm not gaming until I can try and get in there and wiggle some cables a bit more.
OT, but I bought a Y60 to replace my O11D XL but haven't gotten around to actually swapping it out. How are you liking the case and how do thermals seem?
I dread to think of the bends some cables have been forced in to as I cram the huge surplus of cables in to a tiny shroud at the bottom of my cases over the years 😬
This is what I was going to ask. Will this only be an issue with the adapters, or is it a general issue with the way the plug assembly itself was designed?
I'd like to believe a single 12-pin going from the PSU straight into the vidja cahd won't have anywhere near the issues 4 8-pins melting into one 12-pin via shoddily-put together adapter currently has. Guess we'll have to wait for more ATX 3.0 PSUs to be out in the wild to get a solid answer.
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Your statement comes off all kinds of wrong.
I'm an electrical engineer who deals with aircraft electronics. You're calling a random person on the internet a comparative idiot.
There are a ton of really smart people at Nvidia. I've meet a few of them. They are still people, and people make mistakes. Especially when being pushed to maximize profit.
This will probably be a 4090 exclusive issue based on it's power draw / core cut relative to the other 40 series cards and the time until another card this powerful comes out. Maybe 1% of all PC gamers will buy this card. And this won't affect all of them either.
BUT, You can't blow a real fire hazard out of proportion.
Maybe it's a cable manufacturer using the lowest grade of plastics that can pass or lower. Maybe the sockets aren't exactly on spec.
Nvidia didn't put out a recommendation on cable bends, some individuals there actively put out warnings to PCI SIG while others brushed it off when reviewers brought it up.
Using one of the most meticulous reviewers setting a world record isn't exactly typical or representative of normal use case.
Regardless, these connectors are supposed to have overhead built into the spec so things like imperfections in cable management don't cause a fire.
This was unacceptable.
It's the connector melting at the contact point. The number of wires is irrelevant as they are not the point of failure. In fact reducing the number of wires creates a different hazard, but that is a different part of the spec for consideration. Less likely to be an issue.
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My 12900k is overclocked, with unlimited power and doesn't go above 90C even after 10 minutes of cinebench R23 with a Lian Li 360 Galahad AIO.
If you are talking about the run they did this Sunday then no, it was with a stock bios at 600w max output like any other card. No shun mod, no nothing. They talked about it during the stream. They tried to have an unlocked bios, talked to a rep from AIB, were told to speak to Nvidia, were told to speak to AIB then they forwarded the discussion so that both parties could talk to each other and then never got a reply.
Undervolt? Which motherboard do you use?
Mine is 5.2/3.9 and it hits 99c really quick with stock settings with the Galahad 360. Gigabyte z670 aorus master.
If I weren't about to sell my rig in anticipation of building a new one to fit the 4090... I would totally dremel the shit out of that side panel.
They put in some hard facts in that comment just for you to call it all speculation. After which you speculate that the issue is plainly extremely blown out of proportion. Like, not that it might be. You just state that it is.
Baffling.
Would cablemod cables have the same issue eventually due to the very small pins? Someone mentioned something about the pins becoming corrosive eventually and due to the small size, it may be dangerous.
Also, if you had the 90 degree adapter + the cablemod cables would there be less of a risk of a fire here since you wouldn't have any crazy bends? I'm wondering if adding the 90 degree adapter would cause any issues because now you're daisy chaining cables.
I don't know really, I just got tired of waiting for the corsair cable. I just don't want to use an adapter.
Ah fuck, right. Buildzoid's video did a great job explaining this, not sure why my brain decided to forget about that when I posted. Thanks.
Can you help me understand this a bit more? I've backordered a TUF and I also have a Seasonic PSU. What do you mean "...the cable would go out the wrong side..."?
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but AMD will be using the very same connector.
Their stuff is the best. I have one on my 3090.
Needless to say, I'm waiting for their shipping times. I'm only going EK if it's going to be monthly before I can get one from Optimus. And even then, I may pick up an Optimus and swap it out whenever it comes. 👀
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View: https://twitter.com/Optimus_WC/status/1584950589393293312
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The 90 degree adapter would point upward instead of downward because of the flipped plug on the Asus cards. It's not a huge deal, CableMods for example will offer adapters that go both ways. But I assume most official 90 degree adapters from PSU manufacturers etc. will be made for the standard plug orientation that everyone but Asus seems to employ.
No undervolt, 1.32V, 5.1/4.0, 4.4ghz ring bus, MSI Pro Z690-A. I was hitting close to 99C on my old case. With my new Corsair 5000D and a top mounted radiator, I get the temp I've mentionned and I can post screenshots if needed.
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Screens not necessary, I believe you. I just wanna figure out why mine are worse lol. Lian Li o11 Dynamic Evo, 6xAL120 intake fans (bottom, side). 3xAL120 fans on the Galahad 360mm rad, 1xAL120 exhaust fan on the back of the case.
CBR23 one pass with the PL1/PL2 at 241w.
Screens not necessary, I believe you. I just wanna figure out why mine are worse lol. Lian Li o11 Dynamic Evo, 6xAL120 intake fans (bottom, side). 3xAL120 fans on the Galahad 360mm rad, 1xAL120 exhaust fan on the back of the case.
CBR23 one pass with the PL1/PL2 at 241w.
This is after a 10 minutes loop. Did you leave every voltage set to auto in your bios?
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This is after a 10 minutes loop. Did you leave every voltage set to auto in your bios?
Dang it Bobby, that's not what I meant by clean burning power!
That GPU ain't right…
So I just found out (in the 4090 owners thread at overclock.net) that there's a discord where you can get notifications when your local best buy has a canceled order at the store. This is the server: https://discord.com/invite/gpu
You can get roles for USA/Canada notifications, which I think is amazon, newegg, bestbuy, etc. And also notifications for local best buys for your state.
Not a few hours after joining, I got a notification for my local best buy. So I drove down right away and talked to the guy standing by the door as soon as you walk in (I also called them on the phone on my way there but don't bother doing this, as the person on the phone was clueless as to what I was talking about). The guy in the store looked it up on their system and said that they had 1 canceled order sitting over at customer service. He went over and grabbed it and I paid for it. Also chatted up another guy who was picking up his online order from the stock drop last Wednesday. I told him about the discord since his friends are also trying to find them.
Anyways, wooo.
I checked the channel for my state again and it says out of stock for that location already. I don't know how it works, but it seems pretty accurate and timely with the updates.
You're a legend for posting this.
Like I said it's just speculation based on cases you see online. The connector issue is trivial for a basic electrical engineer when it comes to testing out the limits. The only logical thing I can see is that either some connectors are just not made properly or the connection was poor due to a how the cable was bent. I am electrical engineer too by the way. If the connector really could not handle the rated power like you are claiming, you are basically saying they literally didn't do any testing. During my time doing testing, we usually tested above the rated power and temperature tolerance to see how it fails. I have a hard time believing this would be missed. Also there are tons of threads from previous gen GPUs with burned 8 pin connectors:
Does that mean 8 pin connectors have wide spread issues? No. This is why I think people are blowing it out of proportion. They see a small number of people having issues on a new design which automatically means it's a bad design.
They just provided the pinouts. Nothing that proves anything. Maybe you should inspect the "hard facts" before commenting. And yes it's speculation because anecdotals can be misleading. We haven't really seen any proper testing of the power connector from reputable sources.
Until we have more cases, it's most likely blown out of proportion. So far we have 3 users? Out of thousands. We need more data before panicing.
Like I said it's just speculation based on cases you see online. The connector issue is trivial for a basic electrical engineer when it comes to testing out the limits. The only logical thing I can see is that either some connectors are just not made properly or the connection was poor due to a how the cable was bent. I am electrical engineer too by the way. If the connector really could not handle the rated power like you are claiming, you are basically saying they literally didn't do any testing. During my time doing testing, we usually tested above the rated power and temperature tolerance to see how it fails. I have a hard time believing this would be missed. Also there are tons of threads from previous gen GPUs with burned 8 pin connectors:
Does that mean 8 pin connectors have wide spread issues? No. This is why I think people are blowing it out of proportion. They see a small number of people having issues on a new design which automatically means it's a bad design.
They just provided the pinouts. Nothing that proves anything. Maybe you should inspect the "hard facts" before commenting. And yes it's speculation because anecdotals can be misleading. We haven't really seen any proper testing of the power connector from reputable sources.
In aircraft we have to deal with ensuring the connection of wires under stress while pulling at times multiple Gs of force.
In our case this is handled with backshell strain reliefs.
As an electrical engineer you should know what happens when current is pulled over a smaller cross section such as a poorly mated connector.
They literally did testing and reported it to pci sig as a concern and then released the 4090 anyway.
GN shared a few powerpoint slides from pci sig confirming this was found in testing.
"measuered 36.4A on a single pin, or 436W on a single pin"
The problem isn't the technical values, but the tolerances required to make them practical in a consumer product that doesn't require an aerospace standard backshell.
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No problem. I feel like people are somewhat secretive about their methods so I wanted to be as detailed as possible as to how I went about getting one. Especially since the FEs in particular are annoying to get.
Also, I'd be on the lookout for another bestbuy stock drop tomorrow. Last wednesday was the previous one.
Yup, I'll be keeping an eye on user reviews when their Strix/TUF blocks drop, but their block for the FE that'll come later (Dec?) just jumped to the top of my list.
is saga with connector peaking now? We have DIY guides for how to make your own 16-pin connector with better pins, https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/ydndbi/psa_you_can_reterminate_your_nvidia_4090_adapter/
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