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NY election 11/7 - Proposal No. 1: whether or not the state should hold a Constitutional Convention

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Vote no on 1. No Democrat with any sense in NY state would vote for something that's almost entirely supported and paid for by the Republicans.

Based on what I'm hearing from friends in red counties like Sullivan and Orange, nobody wants a convention.
 
PanickyFool

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Tempest said:
Vote no on 1. No Democrat with any sense in NY state would vote for something that's almost entirely supported and paid for by the Republicans.

Based on what I'm hearing from friends in red counties like Sullivan and Orange, nobody wants a convention.
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So a triumvirate based government with no term limits, hundreds of shadow state corporations, most former triumvirate members convicted (but now free) of corruption, and gerrymandered to hell and back districts does not need changes to the Constitution? This is fine?

I mean governor Tru er Cuomo abolished his own anti corruption committee.
 

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I haven't followed the NYC elections at all and now I'm trying to research the best democratic candidates in the races. Anyone my fellow democrats think would be best? Is there a viable alternative to de Blasio? If not, I guess I'll be checking him in again.
 
Neutra

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i guess if you happen to live in city council district 35 (fort greene/clinton hill/prospect heights) you could vote for the DSA candidate, Jabari Brisport.
 
avaya

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Why would any dare risk a constitutional convention with the GOP when it is essentially a white supremacist party today?
 
Dude Abides

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PanickyFool said:
So a triumvirate based government with no term limits, hundreds of shadow state corporations, most former triumvirate members convicted (but now free) of corruption, and gerrymandered to hell and back districts does not need changes to the Constitution? This is fine?

I mean governor Tru er Cuomo abolished his own anti corruption committee.
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What shadow corporations are you talking about? And how is a constitutional convention going to solve any of those problems? Make it unconstitutional for Silver to leave his house?
 
Host Samurai

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PanickyFool said:
Because they are part of the very politically protected civil servant class of labor.

It's the same reason civil servants do not want the legal ability to strike, it is not in their interests financially.

Pretty much all vote no funding had come from Unions and it is much much more than vote Yes support.
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Gotcha. Makes sense why all these teachers on my Facebook feed are pushing the No vote.
 

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PanickyFool said:
So a triumvirate based government with no term limits, hundreds of shadow state corporations, most former triumvirate members convicted (but now free) of corruption, and gerrymandered to hell and back districts does not need changes to the Constitution? This is fine?

I mean governor Tru er Cuomo abolished his own anti corruption committee.
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Yes, exactly. NY's government is a reflection of its constituents. By voting yes on 1, we're giving Republicans the ammunition they need to attempt a seismic shift in some key/important districts.

If you have problems with business as usual, then make your voice heard at the polls. Don't give it away to a small group of angry Republicans and special interests via a constitutional convention.
 
PanickyFool

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Pandora012 said:
Yo, upstate is basically all Republican.
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aceface said:
Whaaa, upstate is blue, are you insane? It's Trump central up here.
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wild wild rice said:
No it's not.
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GK86 said:
52 of the 62 districts voted for Trump...
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ned_ballad said:
Not even close to true
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Look at the current distribution of Senate districts and the representative house. The only reason the Senate is not controlled by the Democrats is the corruption of a few Democrats.

The convention comes down to three Representatives from each Senate district. The majority of which are Democratic.

NYS is a blue state. The state GOP/Dem split, specifically in their platforms, pretty much comes down to economic and not social issues.
 
Fhtagn

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PanickyFool said:
Well the clear outcome of no is we stay with the corrupt state government we have now.

Unless you economically benefit from that.
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Who gets a say in a possible new constitution? Will it be based geographically, thus giving disproportionate voice to the right wing sparsely populated parts of the state?

That's basically the reason to say no. The status quo is bad, but with the intensity of the division right now, I don't trust it not to go wildly out of control to the right despite an overwhelming popular majority on the left. Much like the last election and the US Senate.
 
Quixzlizx

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While I still plan on voting in general, I guess I've lost a lot of my faith in democracy, because I don't want voters within a 10-foot pole (poll? ;) ) of constitutional changes.
 
Paskowitz

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PanickyFool said:
Because NY is generally a blue state, even the upstate region.
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Yeah... this is not accurate. There are plenty of R strong holds. While 2016 wasn't a big gain % wise, many upstate blue counties went red. NY will remain a blue state because of the city, but upstate swings both ways. Second term Bush got a good portion as well.

2016

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2012
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Next election w/o Hillary should be better but still.

Side note, people in Suffolk really are nuts. Vote Dem for over a decade and then see Trump and go "That is my guy." What?! I understand the "working class" counties but really... Long Island?
 
Quixzlizx

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Paskowitz said:
Yeah... this is not accurate. There are plenty of R strong holds. While 2016 wasn't a big gain % wise, many upstate blue counties went red. NY will remain a blue state because of the city, but upstate swings both ways. Second term Bush got a good portion as well.

2016

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2012
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Next election w/o Hillary should be better but still.

Side note, people in Suffolk really are nuts. Vote Dem for over a decade and then see Trump and go "That is my guy." What?! I understand the "working class" counties but really... Long Island?
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Suffolk is trending older, especially the eastern half (where I live). A lot of people who love 1. tax cuts and 2. "law and order."
 
PanickyFool

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Paskowitz said:
Yeah... this is not accurate. There are plenty of R strong holds. While 2016 wasn't a big gain % wise, many upstate blue counties went red. NY will remain a blue state because of the city, but upstate swings both ways. Second term Bush got a good portion as well.

2016

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2012
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Next election w/o Hillary should be better but still.

Side note, people in Suffolk really are nuts. Vote Dem for over a decade and then see Trump and go "That is my guy." What?! I understand the "working class" counties but really... Long Island?
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Yes but...

You are showing counties, a insignificant map for any election.

Show a map of state senator districts, the relevant map for a state convention and you will see it will mostly be Democrats at the convention.
 
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GK86

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Prop 1:
Yes 276,706 18.6%
No 1,212,756 81.4

Prop 2:

Yes 1,034,964 70.7%
No 428,394 29.3

Prop 3 is still being counted.
 
evil solrac v3.0

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Despite being republican, malliotakis had some fairly progressive ideas. I'm not sure DeBlasio was the right pick. But this election is more of a refenderum on Trump.
 
Trey

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Opening up the entire constitution at once and basically rewriting it on the fly is not a good idea. Government is not supposed to be subverted like that, because of course too many things depend on its consistency (for better or worse). We can amend the constitution bit by bit like we have so far.

And even if the ConCon went through, it would have devolved into an all or nothing affair like that last time it was in effect. Why? Because people are not trying to throw the baby out with the bath water, and pay special interest groups for the privilege of doing so.
 
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