NYT & AP: Doug Jones (D) defeats Roy Moore (R) In Alabama US Senate Election [READ MOD EDIT]
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I hadn't really posted about this in the run up to the election but I am really relieved to see how it has turned out.
Having skimmed over the thread from last night's results I can see how much of a nail biter it was, but yeah I'm definitely relieved.
Some positive news to wake up to in the morning for a change.
Having skimmed over the thread from last night's results I can see how much of a nail biter it was, but yeah I'm definitely relieved.
Some positive news to wake up to in the morning for a change.
Man, the cynic in me is reading this as an opening for shenanigans later. That bit about write in ballots bothers me.
Bruh it's bama
A state known to shut out niggas
This shit is WHEW
It wouldn't have been a nail biter if people believed in the needle.
Oh, it's going to happen. But, unlike Trump, we'll always be able to point to victory by popular vote here.
I would argue that moderate democrats run too close to moderate repubs on many important issues but, for arguments sake, you raise fine points here, cheers
They are effectively below 20 percent due to the extreme amount of loopholes the rich and large corporations get despite being nominally higher(the GOP always say corp taxes are the highest in the world but even they know that's just a lie)
That is without the tax havens and numerous ways to get out of paying alternatively. Many of these even get subsidies, let alone any sort of taxation.
He pretty much told an Africa American women to shut up and let a man speak.
I wish I could find the video.
Black and Brown voters often save the Democratic party. The Democrats would be fucked if the Republicans ever did substancial outreach to minority voters which they won't because their base are racists. The Democrats really take black votes for granted, something as a black person I thought Hillary Clinton did, and the turnout fell dramatically. Of course voter suppression also plays a part in that but I feel like the party doesn't address "black issues" until it's time for an election if then. Once the election is over you never hear about said issue again until the next election.
LOOk. Okay. LOOK.
That's a fair point. And real. And actually had a real impact this election.
But on the other hand It Would Have Been Could Have Been Worse than you'd ever know.
I need more rum.
Preach.
Well yeah, it is alabama, that's why i'm happy. He's good enough.
The last two Democratic senators from Alabama were Richard Shelby (1987-present), who changed to Republican in 1994 and will serve alongside Jones, and Howell Heflin (1979-1997), who according to Wikipedia:
So we can easily push the "no Dem since 1990" back to 1979, at which point it may as well be easier to call Doug Jones the first progressive senator from Alabama in modern American politics.
doug jones can win a senate seat in alabama but hillary clinton couldnt be president of the united states against donald trump lmao
I'd argue that Doug Jones couldn't win a Senate Seat in Alabama had Trump not been president.
Oh for sure but McCain has always been billed as a maverick so it hasn't been as irritating when he's been at it again lately. Flake on the other hand basically rose to prominence this year with his "Republican with morals" bullshit so I can't wait for him to leave now.
Does being apart of a conservative state mean that he's gonna be a blue dog dem though or an actual progressive in congress? I do like his record on a decent amount of things, so would his constituency still support him despite it being a nail biter
So your saying we should be thanking trump for people rejecting the garbage fire the right represents so hard its turning red states blue
Ah. I see what you mean. Apologies for the misunderstandings. You are right about the allegations though (but at least it has been on an upswing as of late.)
Trump actually winning was a wake up call for a lot of the country that elections, and their individual votes, actually matter. It's one we shouldn't have needed though.
I doubt he has realistic expectations of another win, so he isn't beholden to voters and I wouldn't call him a blue dog by any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention that the Pubs are so far past blue dogs level of conservatism with their bills right now that even a straight blue dog would vote down anything they put out.
That's how things go unfortunately. People are more likely to vote when they know the last election was a fuck up because they didn't vote.
Well it's not like this is the 1st time a D managed to wrestle Alabama from an R in 25 years or something...... plus Trump won by 60 points in here so people were rightful to be skeptical.
You have to run what will win in specific areas. Purity tests are what causes losses. I mean Luther Strange would have likely won in Alabama last night but he was outed with a Purity Test by GOP voters to support Moore. Steve Bannon and his purity tests has handed Democrats 3 Elections in recent years. Progress forward is what matters even if its only 1 step at a time instead of giant leaps. 1 step ahead is better than going to the extreme and losing to cause 2 steps backwards or in the case of someone like Trump a massive leap backwards for America.
Some voted for the tax bill tho :/ And considering it was such decided by just a matter of votes, that's also important to note
And the 700 billion dollars in reckless defense spending plus the 80 billion on top of that....and of course the major saudi arabia weapons deals...
Actually looking at it, a very notable number of dems have voted with the GOP and trump in pretty bad ways this year
They are effectively below 20 percent because they can defer taxation on foreign earnings. But most countries don't even tax foreign earnings (examples: Canada, Germany, UK) so the effective rates are much lower. And the tax rate for Canada, Germany, UK and Japan are 15%, 15%, and 19%, so the effective rate is much lower in these countries.
Again, I think you are arguing in bad faith if you ignore this request to substantiate your claim: Please show me how the US corporate tax rate is the lowest in the world effectively.
House of reps is a bit different. And even then it's very very few.
As glad as I am that Doug won, I don't think a state in which almost 49% of voters gave their voice to a racist pedophile misogynist has "redeemed" itself from anything. This race was much, MUCH closer than it should have been in a sane world.
Pretty much. Take what you can get and run with it. As time passes you'll find you're able to get away with more and more.
False. Zero democrats in the House or Senate voted for the tax bill.
This is a good question actually. 2020 is so far away that it's basically impossible to estimate his chances at reelection - I think tonight, plus the possibility of a sophomore surge, have taught us that it won't be zero. So Jones could try to play to his Alabama base to prep for that. On the other hand I don't see a chance in hell any Trump/McConnell-supporting Republican votes Jones again in 2020 so in that regard he could probably go for broke and just be a hard Democrat. Ultimately it probably isn't a big difference, since he's gonna be a reliable Dem vote for the major votes.
Also the original alegations thread was such a dog pile of "oh w/e he's going to win no matter what" we should celebrate Roy Moore crashing and burning.
No Democrats in the House voted for the tax bill:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/16/us/politics/house-vote-republican-tax-bill.html
I hope and think that she (hillary) knows that her defeat to trump will serve as ultimately, a greater impetus to the country's history than her victory would have. Sides needed to be drawn to eradicate those that want to perpetuate evil under their various guises. Glossed over racism, sexism, hypocrisy over religion in addition to other civil rights issues like LBGTQ. We need to get this out in the open now. Tonight, people rightfully thanked who ultimately delivered this victory for Doug Jones. Everyone had a part but some sectors turned up and turned out for him. I hope that this deads the idea of economic anxiety and looking for these poor forgotten souls in all these articles. We will never reach them, our only hope is to reach their sons/daughters before their parents' rhetoric takes hold. We need to address what happened in Alabama and even taking away the sexual allegations, he said all amendments after the 10th should be done away with. Women's rights, slavery, etc all come after that 10th amendment. What tomorrow's and the coming day's periodicals should ask is why are there so many people willing to vote against their own interests.
I actually thought that, but didn't have the info off the top of my head when pressed on it. Shoulda looked it up.
I mean
The rampant racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, poverty, healthcare, insurance, president situation is all still pretty bad
Yeah your right, i actually was thinking of another bill. I have been cross referencing the Bush tax cuts with the current one for a few weeks now trying to figure out the actual possible effects of the current one
Sounds about right.
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The Tax Bill is going to pass regardless, the important thing about his victory is that it enables the Dems to retake the Senate next year without having to defeat Cruz in Texas, and thus effectively block any judicial nominees trump might make in the latter half of his term.