More at the link, including lots of graphics: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...-asians-voting.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
2020 is wild.
NYT: Immigrant Neighborhoods Shifted Red as the Country Chose Blue
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More at the link, including lots of graphics: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...-asians-voting.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
2020 is wild.
I guess this is what happens when a staggering amount of people vote. it's mindboggling to think covid might have actually helped him in a weird way...
Thankfully it was nowhere near enough.
Thankfully it was nowhere near enough.
maybe the reason things are so bad isn't right vs left as much as its the human race is a fucking disaster lol
....but they voted republican so still happy to ride that train of they are the worst
....but they voted republican so still happy to ride that train of they are the worst
Im curious to see now that Trump won't be on any ballots in the future, how dems rebound from this.
Its disappointing to see though.
Its disappointing to see though.
There seems to be be large parts of various minority cultures that are very strict conservatives on various major social issues (abortion, marriage, religion) and put those above all else, so even if Trump is calling Mexicans rapists and murderers, for example, as long as he's promising to built a SC to overturn Roe v Wade, that's what some of them are going to vote on.
I can't speak for all Latinos, but I've seen in some of my family folks falling for a lot of online propaganda and conspiracy theories.
It's like a straight line from Religion ----> MLM----> Anti-Science -----> Trump Support
This is regarding new trump supporters, my abortion single issue voters and fuck-you-got-mine family members have always voted red even though they live in PR.
It's like a straight line from Religion ----> MLM----> Anti-Science -----> Trump Support
This is regarding new trump supporters, my abortion single issue voters and fuck-you-got-mine family members have always voted red even though they live in PR.
Perfectly expected. Dems have a lot to do to build up charismatic male and female leaders that can be bombastic with one side of their mouth while caring and WONKy with the other.
It's the inevitable outcome of trying to build a big umbrella coalition.
It's the inevitable outcome of trying to build a big umbrella coalition.
I mean, sure. I bet a lot of these were new voters or infrequent voters that never bothered because GOP candidates don't have a chance in those districts. They wanted to pledge their allegiance to the loud cult.
Turnout was up across the board all around. 75 million came out for death and cruelty.
Turnout was up across the board all around. 75 million came out for death and cruelty.
My dad was 100% going to vote Trump until the "Mexicans are rapists" line. That was where he finally decided to say no. It's depressing to think had he never said that my dad (who came here illegally) would have been rocking a maga hat. His reason was 100% based off 'I'm sure he's going to cut the taxes I pay for my business". Essentially the 'fuck you got mine' feeling that other people have mentioned.
its not a surprise. in major immigrant areas like little village which is basically the first stop for many mexican immigrants in chicago this is to be expected. you have to remember that our cultures are more conservative in some ways than even american culture with how ingrained religion is in our cultures.
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As a Cuban raised in Miami, it's absolutely this. My family is comprised of right leaning people who regurgitate the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" garbage but in Spanish instead of English.
A lot of minorites are falling for a bunch of online propaganda and conspiracy theories. I had a friend question me on if I think the COVID vaccine is safe because of all the crazy stuff she read online. I wish we could do something about that shit. All this misinformation at your finger tips is already leading down a path where people are voting against their own interests.
I just don't know anymore. Being a complete sack of shit is a very appealing trait for a lot of guys, I guess. I'll never understand these people that think Trump is some macho hard working tough guy. He was born filthy rich, drove a bunch of businesses into the ground, whines about people being mean to him, and is afraid of steps and inclines.
I guess being a racist rapey asshole who married a model is enough?
I guess being a racist rapey asshole who married a model is enough?
Very concerning that this happened. The U.S. barely dodged a bullet this election.
Not specific to this shift, but I imagine the thing about turnout is that beyond a certain point you are just digging into people who don't know shit and typically decide not to vote because they don't pay attention regardless. I wonder if part of Trump's power was causing enough spectacle that people who don't normally pay attention at all somehow managed to get the idea that they had a sense of things and went for Trump because they actually believed his shit. Like dredging up the absolute bottom of low information voters.
Not specific to this shift, but I imagine the thing about turnout is that beyond a certain point you are just digging into people who don't know shit and typically decide not to vote because they don't pay attention regardless. I wonder if part of Trump's power was causing enough spectacle that people who don't normally pay attention at all somehow managed to get the idea that they had a sense of things and went for Trump because they actually believed his shit. Like dredging up the absolute bottom of low information voters.
instagram is full of that shit, getting hundreds of thousands of likes.
I do recall coming across an article critisizing the Democrats for mostly ignoring (or not noticing) that particular problem.
This is just my personal opinion but I feel like a lot of this can be explained not by "fuck you, I got mine" but by white identity politics. I grew up in a largely Puerto Rican/Dominican neighborhood in Brooklyn and can remember being confused because so many of friends/neighbors from these islands seemed to think that they were white. Trump has defied a lot of conventional ideas about demographics mostly because he the first president in modern times who placed a focus on white supremacy over any real political platform. As we've seen even Black Americans can find that message appealing if they believe that they'll be included in the expanded umbrella of being white.
I think that toxic masculinity is really dangerous and it cuts through all demographic groups equally. I also think a lot of people across all demographic groups are crass rapey assholes. So being a crass rapey asshole is really appealing to lots of men in every demographic group. Being "alpha" (or appearing "alpha") also appeals to these people. Seeing Trump called out for saying awful shit just makes him more appealing to this same crowd of people. And yeah, white dudes lap it up at really high numbers because the racist shit appeals to them, but it shouldn't shock us that the way we measure ones manhood in our country is a fucking issue and it shouldn't shock us that we saw some knock-on effects from that in minority demographics.
I mean, the Republican party doesn't exactly do anything for poor white men and they fucking eat it up, so its not like its unheard of that people in this country vote against their own interests for identity reasons.
I know in my neighborhood, the Latinos who are Trump supporters tend to be the ones who own property, regardless of whether they're first or third gen Latinos.
They've literally said the words "if I can do it, there's no excuse why you can't do it" to other Latinos who have less money than them.
I also think it's a machismo thing. Republicans, especially Trump, have a very "fuck your feelings, I'm not gonna be politically correct" mentality, and several Latino men are like that. Any time you point out their homophobia, sexism, racism, etc., they get all defensive. "It's just a joke, relax man."
Education is becoming by far the biggest predictor of political alignment. That may change if the GOP puts up a more "polite" fascist, though, as it probably wouldn't be too hard for them to win back the highly educated suburbs in that case.
Hate to give this views but this was all over Univision around election time. Made me angry they would even air this shit but doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Again though it's important and "Latino" is not a monolith and I can't say I know many if any Mexicans that voted his way. I know many Cubans and Venezuelans get terrified when they hear socialism and get swayed.
Reading this makes me sad. I wish people would realize that Democrats do more than provide help to people in need or welfare. They're the only ones trying to protect your fucking civil rights!
EDIT: Also I have a friend who's like your last paragraph, a supposed "nice guy".
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Definteily a lot of 'pull yourself by your bootstraps' Especially by those who are immigrated over at least with Koreans.
Defund the police cost some votes among my family members in the state.
They hail from regions of Asia where the police is almost non-functional and highly susceptible to bribery.
The police in their state, by comparison, offers far more security and peace of mind than what they had back home.
Even here in Canada my family and friends scoffed at the defund stuff; it simply doesn't compute for them.
They hail from regions of Asia where the police is almost non-functional and highly susceptible to bribery.
The police in their state, by comparison, offers far more security and peace of mind than what they had back home.
Even here in Canada my family and friends scoffed at the defund stuff; it simply doesn't compute for them.
I agree with some of the quotes in the article. This election was proof the Dems are failing to reach out to potential voters. Dems shouldn't have lost so much ground in the down ballot as they did. This election presented a tremendous opportunity and many of the party organizations failed to capitalize on them.
It's not so surprising that immigrant neighborhoods, especially those from older generations, have more conservative, male machismo values.
It's like... you're telling me that people that come from patriarchal societies with male-dominated attitudes (especially Asian immigrants, from my own perspectives) voted for someone that voiced those exact same attitudes? And it's considered shocking or somehow a new revelation?
It's like... you're telling me that people that come from patriarchal societies with male-dominated attitudes (especially Asian immigrants, from my own perspectives) voted for someone that voiced those exact same attitudes? And it's considered shocking or somehow a new revelation?
I guess the issue is how to you appeal to people driven by things like toxic masculinity without throwing out everything they supposedly stand for. Its not an easy answer.
Incumbency also helps. Clinton, Bush and Obama all did better with minorities during their re-election than their first presidential runs.
Plus, Democrats didn't do very good GOTV efforts in many places of the country due to the pandemic. I'd bet in 2024 without a pandemic, they'll do better with these communities.
Plus, Democrats didn't do very good GOTV efforts in many places of the country due to the pandemic. I'd bet in 2024 without a pandemic, they'll do better with these communities.
I've seen a lot of generalizing about how different groups of people identify as this or that, like how latinos or asians identify themselves as "white", or how people identify more based on their financial status than ethnicity. Or how certain cultures react to Trump's persona. Et cetera.
But I think the bigger factor here is much simpler than all that: lying works. Period.
But I think the bigger factor here is much simpler than all that: lying works. Period.
It should be surprising even if this was the main reason. They aren't voting for action film hero of the year.