Saucycarpdog

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www.nytimes.com

Trump Allies Eye Long-Shot Election Reversal in Congress, Testing Pence (Published 2020)

Some House Republicans plan to try to use Congress’s tallying of electoral results on Jan. 6 to tip the election to President Trump. The attempt will put Republicans in a pinch.
President Trump lost key swing states by clear margins. His barrage of lawsuits claiming widespread voting fraud has been almost universally dismissed, most recently by the Supreme Court. And on Monday, the Electoral College will formally cast a majority of its votes for President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.

But as the president continues to refuse to concede, a small group of his most loyal backers in Congress is plotting a final-stage challenge on the floor of the House of Representatives in early January to try to reverse Mr. Biden's victory.

Constitutional scholars and even members of the president's own party say the effort is all but certain to fail. But the looming battle on Jan. 6 is likely to culminate in a messy and deeply divisive spectacle that could thrust Vice President Mike Pence into the excruciating position of having to declare once and for all that Mr. Trump has indeed lost the election.

The fight promises to shape how Mr. Trump's base views the election for years to come, and to pose yet another awkward test of allegiance for Republicans who have privately hoped that the Electoral College vote this week will be the final word on the election result.
The effort is being led by Representative Mo Brooks, Republican of Alabama, a backbench conservative. Along with a group of allies in the House, he is eyeing challenges to the election results in five different states — Arizona, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Georgia and Wisconsin — where they claim varying degrees of fraud or illegal voting took place, despite certification by the voting authorities and no evidence of widespread impropriety.

Under rules laid out in the Constitution and the Electoral Count Act of 1887, their challenges must be submitted in writing with a senator's signature also affixed. No Republican senator has yet stepped forward to say he or she will back such an effort, though a handful of reliable allies of Mr. Trump, including Senators Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Rand Paul of Kentucky, have signaled they would be open to doing so.

The president has praised Mr. Brooks on Twitter, but has thus far taken no evident interest in the strategy. Aides say he has been more focused on battling to overturn the results in court.

Even if a senator did agree, constitutional scholars say the process is intended to be an arduous one. Once an objection is heard from a member of each house of Congress, senators and representatives will retreat to their chambers on opposite sides of the Capitol for a two-hour debate and then a vote on whether to disqualify a state's votes. Both the Democratic-controlled House and Republican-controlled Senate would have to agree to toss out a state's electoral votes — something that has not happened since the 19th century.
This challenge would be for appearances only but goes to show how much Republicans want to please Trump.
 
Nov 18, 2020
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Thank goodness we have a Democratic-controlled House with a Democratic Speaker. That's our biggest safeguard against tyranny right now.
 

Harbinger00

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't give a shit if it's for appearances, excusing this has to stop (by other members of congress, I mean)
 

Laurentius

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Apr 18, 2018
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So this would go nowhere because the House is still controlled by the Democrats, right? Just another purity test for Republicans, to see which of them fully support their king.
 

Br3wnor

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What's truly insane is the chances of this would not be zero if Republicans controlled the House. Granted the Senate would probably have Romney, Murkowski and Collins to stop them from doing it as well, but talk about a razors fucking edge. 2024 is going to be such a cluster fuck if Republicans control both chambers
 

entremet

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So this would go nowhere because the House is still controlled by the Democrats, right? Just another purity test for Republicans, to see which of them fully support their king.
won't happen:

Both the Democratic-controlled House and Republican-controlled Senate would have to agree to toss out a state's electoral votes — something that has not happened since the 19th century.

This is another loyalty test for Trump sycophants. It is all it is.
 

daveo42

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So time to ramp up these recall elections for these seditious members of Congress? They clearly don't plan on protecting the will of the people or the Constitution of their own States, other States, or the US in general. That seems pretty clear to remove a sitting Senator or House member.
 
Nov 18, 2020
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So this would go nowhere because the House is still controlled by the Democrats, right? Just another purity test for Republicans, to see which of them fully support their king.

If there's a challenge to the Electoral College introduced by these House Republicans on January 6th, the House and the Senate will each hold a vote on the challenge. However, unless a majority votes in both the House and the Senate to sustain the challenge, it fails.

Ergo, it's the Democratic majority in the House that will save us here. It may even fail in the Senate as well if the Senators who already recognized Biden's victory uphold their opinion. But we can never trust Republicans to do the right thing.
 
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Fergie

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Oct 25, 2017
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Republicans have given up all pretence, they want to stay in power forever if they can't win legally. I guess all the voter suppression and thinly disguised attacks on playing up voter fraud to disenfranchise voters who wouldn't vote for them has run its course.

All hiding behind an unscrupulous NY estate mogul turned populist demagogue. Donald J Trump, incredible.

The worst thing is they'll get away with, refine it for next time and the populace will forget.

Groundhog day.
 
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Carnby

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't know how it if we'll get around it, but Pence will never declare Biden the winner.
 

Greg NYC3

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Oct 26, 2017
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Pelosi won't be brave enough to do it but all the House reps who signed onto the lawsuit should not be sworn in until after inauguration day.
 

chezzymann

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Oct 25, 2017
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So if republicans still had a majority in the house and senate this could have been real scary...
 

Spork4000

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Oct 27, 2017
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Just theater without majorities in both the house and senate, but a horrific precedent to set sense any outgoing party that had a trifecta could rig the election for themselves at this step.
 

Lothars

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Oct 25, 2017
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All Republicans going along with this should be considered traitors and should be arrested.
 

entremet

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's hilarious how precarious the Constitution is to this stuff. Won't happen, but crazy that it could.
 

KtotheRoc

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Oct 27, 2017
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Republicans will absolutely destroy this country in their grasp for power. Don't ever forget that.
 

Brinbe

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ayo Fuuuuuck the GOP

Nazis mad AF that their vision of a white utopia is crumbling before their eyes.
 

ChrisP8Three

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Oct 26, 2017
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Seriously American's these people need to be rounded up late Jan when Biden is in office and charged with high crimes and treason! it needs to be swiftly nipped in the bud that future illegal challenges/being sore loosers will not be tollerated
 

McScroggz

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Jan 11, 2018
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Any politician who tries this should be immediately either removed from office (or prevented from being seated)and barred from ever being an elected official again. And I don't even think that's unreasonable.
 

mugurumakensei

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Oct 25, 2017
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Any politician who tries this should be immediately either removed from office (or prevented from being seated)and barred from ever being an elected official again. And I don't even think that's unreasonable.

yep, taking this action is actual admittance that you will not follow your oath to the constitution and democracy.
 

RailWays

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fuck Republicans. This will amount to nothing, but they are absolutely traitors to this country.