Guy who assassinated defenseless children in the middle east with his drones talks about the world being messy. You hate to see it.
Obama on 'Call-out culture' - "The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws."
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Had to find this post just so I could say nicely put.
Call-out culture is only a thing because people are tired of no consequences for the powerful that have always abused that power, so even ignoring what he's personally done, Obama shouldn't say this because he has a terrible track record of holding people accountable. Look at Bush after everything he did. Look at Wall Street after the real estate bubble burst. He knew about Russia before the 2016 election but wanted to appear neutral.
So what exactly should we be doing? Calling out bad people is often the only thing we can do, we're not like Obama who once had enough power to bring consequences to evildoers but chose not to even try.
So what exactly should we be doing? Calling out bad people is often the only thing we can do, we're not like Obama who once had enough power to bring consequences to evildoers but chose not to even try.
Also anyone making 100k is filthy rich lol #eattherich
🙄 Considering that's 1.5 times the median income, yeah id say you're pretty rich. You're definitely well off and more so than most citizens in the US
This, basically. Of fucking course no one is perfect. But that's not the damn point. I don't expect perfection. I expect people to not get royally screwed over, and I expect the powerful to hold criminals accountable. Those aren't "good people". Politics isn't a damn sports game, it determines the lives of millions of people. I don't think it's asking for much to want a President that doesn't bomb people, take their money, and them from being able to take care of themselves. That's the bare fucking minimum. And the only thing that pisses me off just as much as the evil shit people do are the people that sit there and shrug at it. Because they fucking know it's wrong, they know they're in a position to do something about it, and they just ignore it anyway and lie because money. And when folks finally got fed up with people repeatedly getting away with truly evil shit while others shrug it off and cave in to them, yeah, you're damn right people are going to speak up about that.
Pretty hilarious how people keep asking for "examples" considering the genesis of this very forum.
well of course the real world isnt black and white its just a big ol gradient. How you choose to navigate that and if you do falter then how you decide to get yourself back up is what defines someone.
(extremes aside obviously)
(extremes aside obviously)
What does this have to do with what Obama said? It sounds more like a personal grievance with a past thread.
Im sure a black man standing up to a congress dominated by racists who were doing everything in their power to obstruct anything he proposed would have gone swimmingly.
People in general don't care about issues that doesn't hit them at home.
That's reality out there.
As long there's people like that, the ideals and movements of remaking the world to be a better place are a pipe dream
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The funniest thing in all of this is that nobody told him call-outs have been replaced with cancels, making him look even more out of touch
I suppose it is all relative but that sure as heck isn't filthy rich in any of the big cities in the U.S. If you have an dependents even less so. Sure you should be very comfortable as a single person with that kind of income.
The "genesis" of this forum eh? Can you fill in some of those blanks on what you mean here?
Yeah you're right constantly trying to reach across the aisle to them worked a treat.
I mean he's right. Isolating and removing people from the conversation that agree with you 99% is a good way to assure that nothing gets done. And for everyone else, well you still have to work with them.
That doesn't mean conceding on certain points. People need to be held responsible for their actions, good and bad. But it doesn't mean we need to see them as irredeemable monsters. It leaves zero room for growth and in most cases is extremely hypocritical. People aren't pure and the default state is almost always negative just as result of the system we were born into, with things like bigotry and problematic views needing to be ironed out through both internal and external efforts.
That doesn't mean conceding on certain points. People need to be held responsible for their actions, good and bad. But it doesn't mean we need to see them as irredeemable monsters. It leaves zero room for growth and in most cases is extremely hypocritical. People aren't pure and the default state is almost always negative just as result of the system we were born into, with things like bigotry and problematic views needing to be ironed out through both internal and external efforts.
maybe one day we can discuss wealth without liberals panicking the ERA MOB is coming to get the $10k your nanna left you
I totally agree. I'm just referencing a hilarious dumb old thread.
Yup!
People thinking that $100k is rich and getting flustered by that in a forum thread or post is a case of lynch mob cancel culture to you?
Seems like you're flattering yourself thinking that he has a need to please you or still seek approval from people like you. The man is a mostly beloved 2 time President that has been swimming in cash since his term because he is still so popular. He doesn't have to comment on anything.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly weeping over Tyler Malka losing a few million dollars. But what he did was a simple, understandable and very human mistake, and I think the collective reaction to it was extremely overblown.
Man, Biden must have some serious skeletons we don't know about.
Also, this is exactly the sort of spineless shit that I expect from Obama.
It's actually 3.3x the median income.
The numbers that you're going to see with a quick search are always household numbers which are meaningless because of how much the number of earners in a household can vary.
Also, this is exactly the sort of spineless shit that I expect from Obama.
It's actually 3.3x the median income.
The numbers that you're going to see with a quick search are always household numbers which are meaningless because of how much the number of earners in a household can vary.
I think everything that has happened since proves that the dude was and is a massive fucking piece of shit. And I have concerns about boiling sexual assault and being a massive creep with no boundaries as "simple, understandable, and a very human mistake" that just got "overblown".
Whoa whoa whoa. Which of his actions did you think were understandable exactly?
There are huge problems and there are problems that aren't that get made to be. For instance spelling/grammar police twitter which he called out. I'm pretty sure Obama is not the only person tired of the *circlejerks.
Aren't you wildly oversimplifying what he is trying to say?
What damage do grammar police have on anything though? Has someone been "cancelled" for spelling mistakes?
No where in Obama's remarks does he mention "canceling" anybody.
So what did Obama do with the grassroots coalition that got him elected?
Homeboy and Dems had complete control of the government for two years iirc. No excuse. Obama is a half-stepper, he's always had one foot comfortably on the white ruling class's welcome mat and did not want to bother them too much.
Some people don't deserve 2nd chances, not all "mistakes" deserve to be forgiven
Should be based on progress of the person and severity of the action. One thing I do agree with Jesus everything can be forgiven. Doesnt mean is has to be forgotten
Sure, I'll admit I'm guilty of that. I will also say that I disagree somewhat fundamentally with the rest his statement, not just when he said "nobodys perfect". I think he's being a bit too forgiving to people in positions of power or wealth that end up abusing those privileges. Why should we forgive people who do awful things? Why should people not publicly respond negatively to actions they find harmful or abusive?
What do you mean? Like detracting from someone's initial point because of a small spelling mistake?
He also has a quote from this about "accommodating existing structures". He's totally protecting his crew and throwing shade at progressives.
"Progress takes time..." just means can my donors get just one more decade of free milk out the cow???
"Progress takes time..." just means can my donors get just one more decade of free milk out the cow???
Jesus would probably be happier if you agreed with him on trying to overturn the blatantly immoral establishment. Jesus ain't respect the charlatans in power.