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[OPEN SPOILERS] GAME OF THRONES S8 |*FULL LEAK DISCUSSION*| IT IS KNOWN
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Hmmmm, good chance this is real as it is a decent bastardisation of what will happen in the books. Tyrion will betray Dany in the books and come out on top after the dance, and his arc will end with him going Aerys (like his true father) like when Jon marches the north south and defeats him.
In the books Dany will miscarry Euron's child, so they may be working out something on the lines of what happens there with Cersei.
According to Frikidoctor, Tyrion tell's Jon, Dany, and the others of his betrayal, so I guess it confirms that they live. Plus you gotta remember Beric and Melisandre are alive. That's automatic rez. Also according to Friki, Peter Dinklage final scene he shot was him and Jon walking through the remains of Kingslanding and seeing all the dead bodies.
All guesses in no actual order:
Aegon Targaryen will be in S8, not Jon, Young Griff. He wins the throne after a coup, and him and the Golden Company rewrite what happened. Sansa marries Aegon to save her family's reputation, Jon will be executed/exiled by Sansa, in a sort of repeat of what happened with Ned. Dany is depicted as mad and as having destroyed the wall, the north, and attempted to destroy KL, all of this with her dragons, eunuchs, barbarians, pirates. People don't even really believe the night king stuff, he never reaches King's Landing.
Aegon defeats The Mountain with The Hound (or at least someone dressed in golden armor pretending to be Aegon so he can get the claim). Probably played by Toby Osmond, if Toby isn't playing Aegon himself.
Jon will live on beyond the new wall, exiled, believed executed by Sansa along the traditions of the past (she has to swing the sword herself).
Tyrion leads the attack to save King's Landing from a wild Drogon, saving his sister's rule. But she doesn't last for long.
Jaime is ordered to be executed by Aegon and co., but Brienne, who sticks by Sansa, does it herself.
Dany might survive, still pregnant, with Jon beyond the wall. We won't know if she gives birth, and we can guess that even if all dragons are dead, they might one day return through her.
The Hound will be killed by Jaqen H'ghar, to punish Arya for stealing their secrets.
Sam writes the true story.
Also, Sansa is Littlefinger's figurative heir, Aegon is Varys', but Varys is dead and Aegon was a puppet, so Sansa is the real ruler because she has become a manipulator like Littlefinger taught her.
edit: Oh yeah and Winterfell is at war with itself before the Night King even arrives, don't be fooled by the trailer. Jon is rejected as King in the North early on, and Dany is rejected as well.
I am the only one who is right on this shit :)
Aegon Targaryen will be in S8, not Jon, Young Griff. He wins the throne after a coup, and him and the Golden Company rewrite what happened. Sansa marries Aegon to save her family's reputation, Jon will be executed/exiled by Sansa, in a sort of repeat of what happened with Ned. Dany is depicted as mad and as having destroyed the wall, the north, and attempted to destroy KL, all of this with her dragons, eunuchs, barbarians, pirates. People don't even really believe the night king stuff, he never reaches King's Landing.
Aegon defeats The Mountain with The Hound (or at least someone dressed in golden armor pretending to be Aegon so he can get the claim). Probably played by Toby Osmond, if Toby isn't playing Aegon himself.
Jon will live on beyond the new wall, exiled, believed executed by Sansa along the traditions of the past (she has to swing the sword herself).
Tyrion leads the attack to save King's Landing from a wild Drogon, saving his sister's rule. But she doesn't last for long.
Jaime is ordered to be executed by Aegon and co., but Brienne, who sticks by Sansa, does it herself.
Dany might survive, still pregnant, with Jon beyond the wall. We won't know if she gives birth, and we can guess that even if all dragons are dead, they might one day return through her.
The Hound will be killed by Jaqen H'ghar, to punish Arya for stealing their secrets.
Sam writes the true story.
Also, Sansa is Littlefinger's figurative heir, Aegon is Varys', but Varys is dead and Aegon was a puppet, so Sansa is the real ruler because she has become a manipulator like Littlefinger taught her.
edit: Oh yeah and Winterfell is at war with itself before the Night King even arrives, don't be fooled by the trailer. Jon is rejected as King in the North early on, and Dany is rejected as well.
I am the only one who is right on this shit :)
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How can you of all people believe that Tyrion is executed at the dragon pit?
The Seville shoot was a red herring. Almost every actor was in Seville, even the Waif and Sweet Robyn, and yet that scene that was filmed had no green screen, no props, it was super low budget. Why? Because it was fake and meant to be seen. Even Maisie Williams said she was in vacation when she was there while that shoot was happening.
But the biggest evidence is who they said was there. It's the DRAGON'S PIT. Cersei used it as an insult to Dany and her dragons. It makes ZERO sense for anyone to trial Tyrion there, except Cersei, if Dany or Jon was there but they weren't, the others presents were Bran, Davos, and a few other good guys. It's bull, makes zero sense.
What DOES make sense is Tyrion trying to convince Jon that they have to kill a wild Drogon because he is burning King's Landing. Read Tyrion's first chapter in the books and tell me it's not a GRRM thing to have him lead the attack against the last dragon in the world, because he must, not because he wants to.
Basically:
"The night king is dead, it's all over, except for a wild dragon. There can be no peace while it still lives."
or
"We have to kill Drogon because we already lost two dragons to the night king, Jon dumbass Snow!"
so does this mean leaks will be allowed in book reader threads? before, leaks were completely forbidden to discuss anywhere; i preferred that system tbqh
Uhhh there's no way they're adding Aegon to the show in the last season.
(I lowkey like this direction though)
They are.
Why is the Golden Company added so late in the show?
Why is Toby Osmond playing "a royal role", something we were not supposed to know at all, was seen wearing a golden armor, looks Dornish as fuck, and looks as much like he could be Rhaegar's son as Jon could be?
Who was in Bran's vision fighting The Mountain alongside The Hound, wearing a golden armor? People think it's Jaime, but Aegon seeking revenge (or someone pretending to be him, like Renley) makes far more sense.
Why do we know GRRM was pissed at D&D not including Lady Stoneheart, but never heard him complain about Aegon and all the weird twists they had to take with so many characters for not including him? Because he knew they are bringing him in, as a big surprise.
The Accursed Kings was a huge inspiration for GRRM, where John the 1st is replaced at birth with a decoy also named John, a bastard no less, from a wet nurse, to prevent him from being poisoned. But the decoy is poisoned and dies in front of the court, so they cannot bring the real king back for fear he too would be killed. John the 1st lives on as a bastard, until much later in life where he finds out his true identity. When he tries to reclaim his place, he is thrown in jail and dies.
Same shit is happening with Jon, in the sense that the fake Jon (Aegon) will win the throne, real Jon will be dealt the "bastard" reputation and much worst. The reason there is two Aegons is precisely so that when people start to praise Jon for saving the kingdom, they will say "Aegon did this and that and saved us!" but it's fake Aegon who will get all the praise. Jon will be remembered as Ned's bastard, consort to mad Daenerys, Night Watch vow breaker, friend of wildlings, pretender to King in the North AND the Iron Throne, resurrected by a fire-witch who burns little girls alive.
Tyrion told him to wear his bastardy as an armor. What can Sansa do? Marry Aegon, condemn Jon, regain the northmen's trust, since they will have rejected Jon and Dany before the NK even arrives.
Watch the end of S7 again, Royce and Glover are plotting to get rid of Jon, they want Sansa to rule. This plot isn't going away. Winterfell will lose the Vale and northmen before the end of ep2.
I will be legitimately shocked if this happens but very happy. The Sansa stuff is interesting since she is conspicuously underplayed in the new trailer. I'm also curious as to what you think Arya's role will be.
I can see Tyrion sacrificing King's Landing to defeat the White Walkers even if it involves killing millions. That's completely in his character. What would suck is if he decides to outright betray Dany and Jon for Cersei. I'm pretty sure the Tyrion execution is spot on as it goes directly into the whole "bittersweet" aspect. But as for the rest idk it feels really by the numbers. Nothing's really shocking there.
Plus stuff like Jamie dying in Brienne's arms and Tormund sacrificing himself for her is really cliche so it must be true given how D&D write. And it'll be pretty disappointing if Jon and Dany both survive.
Plus stuff like Jamie dying in Brienne's arms and Tormund sacrificing himself for her is really cliche so it must be true given how D&D write. And it'll be pretty disappointing if Jon and Dany both survive.
Yeah, introducing Aegon and doing ALL OF THAT with him in six episodes would just be a mess.
Because they need a plot device to explain how Cersei can avoid getting steamrolled in ten seconds by Dany and Jon's combined army. I like your imagination but you are way overthinking D&D's terrible writing.
So basically I keep hammering that Winterfell will be at war with itself before the Night King arrives.
Here is why it makes sense:
The plotting to have her as "Queen in the north" by Royce and Glover in S7 and "You can never trust a Targaryen!". Why does Royce want Sansa to rule so much? Because he wants her to marry Robyn! Glover doesn't want Jon because he's friendly with the wildlings and probably because he thinks he can influence Sansa more than Jon, plus Jon is a bastard. They don't want a Targ.
Why is GRRM making Dany so easy to depict as a mad conqueror if one was to use propaganda against her? She has an army of eunuchs, of Dothraki barbarians, and even Iron Borns with her! Oh and the Lannister dwarf that people call a monster is her hand. Plus of course three dragons, which she already used against "good people defending the realm from her!". On top of that, the wall has been destroyed by a dragon. Doesn't take much for her to be completely rejected. We know already Sansa will be giving her side eyes on day one. Royce and co. will flip out. The Wildlings refugees haven't even arrived from the wall yet. Imagine Glover and the northmen's reaction when they do. Targs, eunuchs, Ironborns, barbarians, Lannisters and now Wildlings all showing up. Now imagine if things heat up, divisions take hold. What does Jon do? And if he's unable to settle the situation, what does Sansa do? And what does Dany do? Where is she in the trailer anyway when shit is happening? Did she leave in the hopes of ending divisions caused by her presence? How likely is it that Sansa will say aloud that Jon is a Targ to force him to drop out and let her handle this shit, or that Jon will say it himself "to be honest with people because it's the right thing to do"? How will that play out?
Now imagine if Sansa takes control. What is the dumbest worst thing that Sweet Robyn, who shows up at the worst of times, could do? Ask her hand in marriage. It sounds dumb, but it's totally what he would do. Tyrion's reputation gets attacked, Sansa defends him to reject Robyn. They lose the Vale because Robyn throws a fit. Remember he destroyed her snow castle with his doll. Everyone is looking very dumb, Jon is freaking out (why was Kit Harrington acting like he was really pissed at Sansa in the "what happened so far" short videos?).
The trailer is bull, when the Night King arrives, there will be no dragons, and Winterfell will be in flames.
edit: You guys thinking they will need to explain anything about Aegon. They won't. It's a coup d'etat. That's what matters to D&D, not Aegon's back-story. The good guys lose for saving the kingdom, they are forced to play along a big lie to someone else's profit. But the true story will be written by Sam.
"Power resides where men believe it resides. No more and no less."
"So power is a mummer's trick?"
"A shadow on the wall," Varys murmured, "yet shadows can kill. And ofttimes a very small man can cast a very large shadow."
Toby Osmond is playing a Dornish "royal" in golden armor. On his youtube video, he had a bunch of Oberyn videos in his favorites. Varys asks Oberyn why he was in Essos for a few years. Like he was trying to figure if Oberyn "knew" about Aegon.
Varys is plotting for the throne, and it will not be true power that will take it, but propaganda. Do you guys really think Varys' plot is over? Why would he betray Dany? For who? Yet it was pretty much forshadowed in s7 that he will betray her when she threatened to burn him alive.
Harry Strickland
Tyrion will lead the attack against Drogon to save King's Landing, he'll try to convince Jon to go along to help them because Jon is the only one left who might be able to control Drogon, but Jon will refuse because he feels he's being played to help Cersei, Jon will be jailed.Read Tyrion's first chapter in the books, it's all about his love for dragons. People think it means he'll ride one and burn King's Landing, it makes no sense. It's the opposite, he'll have to kill his childhood dream, saving his sister's rule on top of that in doing so. That's ep5. Once Drogon is dead, the coup d'etat starts.
In ep6, Aegon marries Sansa. You think Sansa will free Jon, but he's to be executed, blamed for almost everything.
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It might justify be your writing style, but are you claiming to know (inside) information on the plot? Or is this just your speculation.
I quite like the gist of it all, but I suspect we'll get something far more predictable.
It's just how I write, I know nothing and will probably be wrong on all counts.
Also I think Davos stabs Melisandre in the heart with Ice, at her request, to forge Lightbringer. In the books, they have a love-hate relationship. Davos will get to kill her, but because he will finally believe and trust her.
I think it works.
Ep 1 is everyone's arrival and signs of animosity towards Dany and Jon.
Ep 2 is everything falling apart due to divisions and "the truth", ending with the arrival of the Night King while Winterfell is already burning and ill-prepared to face him.
Ep 3 is the big Winterfell battle. (fact)
Ep 4 is the resolution of the NK plot.
Ep 5 is Drogon attacking King's Landing. (fact , or at least a dragon, and it's not winter) Basically, oh shit, no one thought about what to do with that thing and it's on the loose.
Ep 6 is the ending, which I believe is the coup that probably starts at the end of Ep 5 after Drogon is killed.
Edit: I bet Tyrion doesn't even die. He saves King's Landing from Drogon, betrays Dany and Jon in doing so, and probably kills Cersei himself, plus he killed Tywin, so Aegon would be cool with it. Basically, he loses everyone and everything but gets a new reputation crafted by Aegon and co., inherits Casterly Rock.
The lyrics of The Reins of Castamere is Tyrion, having regained Casterly Rock after having lost everyone, speaking to dead Tywin.
And who are you, the proud lord said,
That I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat,
That's all the truth I know.
In a coat of gold or a coat of red,
A lion still has claws,
And mine are long and sharp, my lord,
As long and sharp as yours.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke,
That lord of Castamere,
But now the rains weep o'er his hall,
With no one there to hear.
Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall,
And not a soul to hear.
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I don't know if he will be executed in the Dragon pit or not, but I do believe he will be executed. Nobody saw the Dragon pit scene and snapped pic's. Having no green screen doesnt mean anything. What better way to distract people from filming one of the potentially biggest tv moment's of all time, than to have nearly every major past actor show up in one spot. People on Freefolk were going nuts and had no idea what the heck was going on untill people just started assuming it was ( and probably is) for bluray interviews. I believe Friki. Here's him talking about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jc3_T2j11g
This isn't going to happen.
You'll see.
Why are they going out of their way not to show that the battle at Winterfell in the trailer is against the White Walkers? Where is the blue fire? Where is the snow storm? Why are they doing all they can to hide the identity of who they are fighting against when it can't be a surprise, and why is it that the NK arrives at the end?
Because the battle starts before the Night King even arrives, between humans, and they are trying not to spoil this.
Bran will tell Dany her home is in Winterfell, he has seen it. It's him speaking to her in the trailer. He is telling her she won't get the Iron Throne, and Bran knows Winterfell will fall. Fallen by Winter. She will rule over a ruined Winterfell. Dany freaks out and bolts out before the NK even arrives, refusing to accept her fate.
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aegon is not coming lmao. not with 6 episodes, not when they had plenty of opportunities to introduce him already and didn't.
I don't think they're going to be adding Aegon either. I think it's going to be a simple Cersei hired Golden Company because they need her to be competitive against the all armies without much explanation as to why that makes sense lore wise but it's the only other army they can think of bookwise they can use. Reason why Tyrion and Vary's is with Daenerys when both play a huge part with Aegon and Cersei taking part of Aegon's role with taking control of King's Landing and GC. Doesn't make sense to add him in when they spent a lot of time rearranging characters to ignore Aegon. Personally, I think Aegon is going to get destroyed by Daenerys in the books in the second Dance where the Field of Fire is what should have been the representation of the climatic battle between the two.
Fuck Tyrion, his plot armor is ridiculous, shock the world and kill him off in the first episode back. People will get over it by episode 2
If we're getting a neat and clean ending with Jon and Dany ruling together, then throwing a wrench in Tyrion's story feels like the only way to keep the ending at least somewhat Game of Thronesy. Don't know if it's legit though.
Tyrion eventually becoming a "villain" I think might actually make sense given Tyrion's trajectory in the novels.
But like with all things, in the show it will feel rushed and unearned. So...I'm team real.
But like with all things, in the show it will feel rushed and unearned. So...I'm team real.
We're not really sure.
He could be Aegon Targaryen, the little brother of Daenerys that was supposed to be dead (or someone who pretends to be). He is present in the 5th book and leads an army of mercenaries with the help of Dorne and attacks the Lannister forces from the south.
But if it's the case, it's a very late integration for such a key character. He is supposed to be introduced before Tyrion even meet Dany for the first time.
Ether_Snake, I'm sorry but none of that is happening. They aren't introducing a major player this late in the game. Season 7 heavily streamlined and simplified the plot, with only 6 episodes left, there's no time for any of that. The Golden Company is being introduced to give Cersei a chance against the Targaryen-Stark alliance. The show runners love Cersei and want her to play a large role until the very end. Last season Daenerys was ridiculously overpowered and they wanted Cersei to stand a chance, so they made everyone on Dany's side an idiot devising amazingly stupid war plans, and killed off all her allies with Euron and his magic teleporting ships by episode 3. This is the same thing.
Tyrion' betrayal makes sense. He was always loyal to his family despite all they did to him. He was used to having the Lannister name and a life of luxury. After his trial, Daenerys was the only option to get back to that life. They cut away after Cersei tells him she's pregnant, that's where they probably made an agreement. Daenerys is barren and needs an heir after she dies. If Cersei's child could be that heir, his family would stay on top and he could keep his wealth and status. That's why he tried so hard to convince Dany not to kill Cersei. That's why he wanted to talk about her succession so badly, and why he was so intent on Dany not participating in battles or flying north. If she dies, his plans die with her. Her forces and dragons could keep the kingdoms united and the North in check, should she die it would all fall apart. He might also have hoped that Jon would die beyond the Wall because he saw that he and Dany were becoming a thing. With him dead and Dany barren, there would be no obstacle for a Lannister succession after Dany's death. His betrayal will come from that angle, I think. He will never betray his family and will choose them over Daenerys.
Tyrion' betrayal makes sense. He was always loyal to his family despite all they did to him. He was used to having the Lannister name and a life of luxury. After his trial, Daenerys was the only option to get back to that life. They cut away after Cersei tells him she's pregnant, that's where they probably made an agreement. Daenerys is barren and needs an heir after she dies. If Cersei's child could be that heir, his family would stay on top and he could keep his wealth and status. That's why he tried so hard to convince Dany not to kill Cersei. That's why he wanted to talk about her succession so badly, and why he was so intent on Dany not participating in battles or flying north. If she dies, his plans die with her. Her forces and dragons could keep the kingdoms united and the North in check, should she die it would all fall apart. He might also have hoped that Jon would die beyond the Wall because he saw that he and Dany were becoming a thing. With him dead and Dany barren, there would be no obstacle for a Lannister succession after Dany's death. His betrayal will come from that angle, I think. He will never betray his family and will choose them over Daenerys.
No, all the shoot photos of King's Landing show no snow, no one dressed for winter. Ep 5 is the battle in KL and what we know is it's against a dragon, most likely Drogon. We know Jon is there and speaks with Cersei while on the ramparts of the Red Keep. I think it's when Cersei asks Jon to help her take down Drogon and he refuses. She seem to be in control. The NK plot is likely over by the end of ep4.
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I am pretty sure this is the show version of Harry Strickland mixed with some Connington. The actor who plays Strickland had this info up for about a day on his profile before they took the character name down. When you zoom in on the sword the dude on the boat has, you can see some sort of animal on top of the hilt. I think that's a griffin. Marc Rissmann also does not look like Strickland is described. The showrunners have combined characters before, so this could be another case.
Varys was trying to find out why Oberyn had been in Essos for five years (see the video above), Oberyn tries to avoid answering and surprises Varys by revealing he can tell Varys is from Lys, asks him how he got to where he is, and both drop the subject. Varys ends by saying he is essentially aiming at the throne.
Varys either knows of Aegon and was wondering if Oberyn knew/had heard about it, hence why he was in Essos, or Oberyn did and Varys has/will have an interest in him when he shows up.
Toby Osmond is playing a royal role, wearing golden armor, looks very Dornish yet they most likely won't introduce a new Dorne king at this point. Aegon is half Dornish just as Jon is half Stark. Toby Osmond had a bunch of Oberyn vids in his favourites on YouTube.
And again, introducing the GC so late makes no sense especially when you consider how important they seem to be making the leader of the GC, both times he is in the video we see him from behind. The GC is going to be a big deal.
Just remembered there was another leak on r/freefolk many months ago by either Friki or Kaysen saying Strickland and the GC would capture Jon and after Jon tells them the truth about himself Strickland decides to betray Cersei and insert Jon on the throne.
Is there any leaks concerning the White Walkers and their true intentions? or there are going to be just the baddies and that's it?
Nope. Only leaks are that we will get to know their motivation and intention, but nothing else.
Got it, thanks, for such a small number of episodes, i'm starting to have a bad feeling and thinking that their are not going to be fleshed out that much.
Capture Jon because they don't want that Aegon in the throne. They have their own coming and Jon would screw everything up.
I'm telling you Jon will get a really bad rep and executed/exiled while the fake Aegon gets all the fame from Jon's good deeds. Same thing is lining up in the books.
« Power resides where men believe it resides. »
« A mummer's trick? »
« Beware of the mummer's dragon. »
None of these things are really valid to the show, though. The books? Sure. But the show hasn't introduced any threads and I'm sorry but the Jon/Aegon twist hasn't even had enough time to marinate in the world of the show to introduce ANOTHER Aegon Targaryen with six episodes left in the show. If this was a full-length season, maybe.
Not with six episodes.
You assume viewers need to know who he is, but it's really about the idea that the good guys do all the hard work, but after everyone is on their knees someone takes the opportunity to take over. We don't even have to see Aegon up close, we'll know it's bullshit, he's a fake, etc., but his backstory is not important. He's « A shadow on the wall. » it's more about the GC than Aegon.
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Again, these are all plot threads from the books with no equivalents in the show. That's the thing. They're not going to do the same ending Martin is working toward, or likely anywhere close to it. The show is its own beast and "here's a big twist we added at the last second" really isn't how D&D do things.
They're dumb and their writing isn't very good, but they are not JJ Abrams or M. Night Shyamalan. There are pretty distinctive paths each character is following.
Aegon is not happening.
"Hey you guys, you know Jon is actually named Aegon? FUCK YOU HERE'S ANOTHER AEGON HAHAHAHHAHAHA!"
You are wrong. They have stated the show will have the same ending as the books, just the paths towards it are different.
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