So when The Mad King heard voices in his head to "burn them all", could have been Bran telling him to burn the White Walkers?
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[OPEN SPOILERS] GAME OF THRONES S8 |*FULL LEAK DISCUSSION*| IT IS KNOWN
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I don't think they will die more than the ones fleeing Winterfell, they'll flee with them, all the way south to KL, and if they are not allowed in Winterfell they will likely get south before they do. But they won't be welcomed. And if Sansa becomes queen, they are screwed.
Wasn't it just a few of them? Most are in the Gift and the forts.
Sansa whined about food supplies already.
I posted this in the other thread:
"This. This isn't the end. Not for you. Not yet."
"How will we know it's the end?"
"You'll know."
I think the thing is this: If any Northmen survive the White Walkers' assault and flee south, the story will spread with them, wildlings or not. You can't explain the entire North going extinct and all of its resources and trade routes going silent with "because wildlings". And even with two dragons (remember, Westeros knows Dany had three when she first made landfall at Dragonstone, and now she only has two, so SOMETHING had to kill the third one), you can't make an entire half of a massive continent go extinct like that.
The world will figure it out. D&D would have to be monumentally stupid writers (I know, I know) to try and force an ending where the entire world is totally oblivious to half of Westeros dying and just chalks it up to "some wildlings came".
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But the wildlings won't live south. They will be hunted down, and have to flee and live back north after it's all over. They will not become a bunch of kneelers. They will not save themselves only to lose who they are.
I posted about this before, how GRRM's question of "What did Aragorn do with the orcs? Did he slaughter them all, even the baby orcs? What were his tax policies" will likely be answered with how the wildlings are treated after the war is over. We know there is a scene where people argue/haggle over land too.
And if the wildlings are not allowed south, they won't just happily walk back north, they'll be forced north.
If Sansa is queen, the story will not be the official story. She is Littlefinger's heir. It will be her official story, the one that favors her, her house, her people.
Daenerys will not be remembered as a savior. Not the woman who invaded Westeros with an army of Dothraki screamers, eunnuchs, Iron Borns (who previously sacked Winterfell too). She is the perfect "evil witch" type character, from the people's perspective, so even if she ends up saving the day, everything is in place for people to remember as the threat the world faced.
The NK, right now, is still not on anyone's radar except the north, and you see how little that threat is worrying them when they feel it's still time to argue over politics.
Again, you're missing the point. EXTINCTION is not something you can just handwave away. You can't be like 'oh, literally every single great house in the North is dead and nobody questions how or why that happened'.
George isn't an idiot. The socio-political and economic effects of the entire North going extinct would have ripple effects across the entirety of Westeros. Wood exports would stop completely, which means shipbuilding and town maintenance would suffer across the continent, especially in geographically harsh areas like the Vale and the Stormlands that don't have much in the way of grand forests.
And then you'd have the Northmen survivors who bleed down into the South after the invasion: they'd tell the story, and it would spread, and even if Sansa tried to cover it up (why would she?), all it would do is paint her as a massive liar and lead to her being a hated, distrusted queen just like Cersei. You'd have a miserable, furious populace who's likely fed up with conniving, manipulative, lying pieces of shit sitting on the throne after years and years of endless war using them as pawns and she could wind up being assassinated by the smallfolk.
I'm actually writing a book that features a near-extinction level event happening during a feudal system, and the amount of societal and economic damage that that kind of loss of life would do to the continent as a whole is not something you can just cover up with a lie without massive repercussions and fallout.
It will still be a bunch of grumpkin stories if they don't see it. Plus, a dragon burning down the wall or a dragon destroying the north, while Daenerys and her dragons invade westeros or go north, it's all the same to people's ears. Some will believe, most might not. But they will for sure believe Daenerys tried to conquer westeros and make the north bend to her and that the wall was destroyed by her dragon(s).
You can't cover up mass extinction with grumpkin stories. That's what I keep trying to tell you. The North is more than half the total landmass of Westeros. Losing the entirety (or even just a majority) of its population would be catastrophic.
I agree it would be catastrophic. But what will be the cause? We as the audience are very biased, we know the threat. It's not there yet. And we don't know under what form it will be, or even what the NK wants, or where he is going exactly.
You saw what happened to House Umber, not a single body left. They all just disappeared, there is no one to say what happened. Sure, people who know could say "It was the Night's King!", but what will people actually believe?
This is a world full of myths and legends and distorted facts and lies and half-truths.
Right now, the cause of all of the north's ills, from the northmen's point of view, is Lannisters, Iron Borns, Dothrakis, Unsullied, Dragons, and a Targaryen queen asking them to kneel. That's where the story is at the moment, that's the perspective they have at the moment.
We'll see how the NK attacks unfolds exactly, and how things unfold among the people before he even arrives.
So my official theory for this next episode and what comes after is that Dany finds Jaime guilty and locks him up. Tyrion does for him what Jaime did for him. Tyurion releases Jaime during the battle or shortly before.
I have not seen any leaks. Please don't tell me if I am right or wrong.
I have not seen any leaks. Please don't tell me if I am right or wrong.
What if all plotlines unravel in the face of the white walkers, and after futile attempts to stave them off, literally everyone is consumed and converted. The end.
I have entertained the idea of a "The Departed" ending where everyone bites the dust, but I don't think that is going to happen. I think there will be SOMEONE left standing at the end. The only problem is nailing down who that someone will be.
I like the idea that Bran made the Mad King mad same as he did to Hodor. He could be in one of his visions and someone near him is screaming to burn them all and that's where the Mad King went mad.
I remember a leak from Youtube mentioning that they are about sentence Jaimie and Tormund and Beric arrive at the gate. Their warning of the White Walkers arrival might end up saving Jaimie.
Dany being like "Jaime Lannister, I hereby sentence you to--" and conveniently getting cut off by a horn blowing or something is such a D&D thing to do that I can believe it.
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Still working on my endgame Seven scenario
Father - Aegon
Mother - Cersei
Maiden - Varys
Warrior - Hound
Smith - Gendry
Crone - Mel
Stranger - Arya
Father - Aegon
Mother - Cersei
Maiden - Varys
Warrior - Hound
Smith - Gendry
Crone - Mel
Stranger - Arya
Half a continent disappears and a giant new wall appears and people wont believe it? Fucking hell.
There is one character who has yet to be revealed. Toby Osmond is playing a royal role, super secret, wearing a golden armor. He was supposedly in the trial scene. Curious.
A likely Dornish prince, and the actor had a bunch of Oberyn vids on his YouTube account apparently. Varys did question Oberyn about why he spent five years in Essos but could never get an answer from him.
He would be loyal to Aegon, since Aegon's mother was a Martell.
Who do you guys think he is? Pretty top secret so far.
A likely Dornish prince, and the actor had a bunch of Oberyn vids on his YouTube account apparently. Varys did question Oberyn about why he spent five years in Essos but could never get an answer from him.
He would be loyal to Aegon, since Aegon's mother was a Martell.
Who do you guys think he is? Pretty top secret so far.
He probably doesn't matter. The trial would be near the end of the series and they're not introducing a new pivotal character in the final or penultimate episode. It's madness to even entertain thoughts of that happening.
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What if arya is littlefingwrs daughter.
That fuxking fits if they both end up Faceless Men.
I'm ma work on this
That fuxking fits if they both end up Faceless Men.
I'm ma work on this
Someone apparently posted this on Freefolk a month ago. It's the episode names and descriptions. They got the first episode right.
EPISODE 801 - 'Winterfell' Runtime: 54 minutes Jon and Daenerys arrive in the north. Alliances are solidified while enemies plot.
EPISODE 802 - 'Enemies from the East' Runtime: 58 minutes Cersei faces a new threat. Bran reveals several truths. Winterfell prepares for war.
EPISODE 803 - 'The Long Night' Runtime: 60 minutes
War comes to the North. Sansa plays a game.
EPISODE 804 - 'A Time for Wolves'
Runtime: 78 minutes.
The north deals with the aftermath of the war while Cersei receives an unexpected visitor.
EPISODE 805 - 'Children of the Dragon'
Runtime: 80 minutes
A way out is revealed and Arya meets and old friend.
EPISODE 806 (finale) - 'A Dream of Spring'
Runtime: 80 minutes
Everything that begins must have an end.
EPISODE 801 - 'Winterfell' Runtime: 54 minutes Jon and Daenerys arrive in the north. Alliances are solidified while enemies plot.
EPISODE 802 - 'Enemies from the East' Runtime: 58 minutes Cersei faces a new threat. Bran reveals several truths. Winterfell prepares for war.
EPISODE 803 - 'The Long Night' Runtime: 60 minutes
War comes to the North. Sansa plays a game.
EPISODE 804 - 'A Time for Wolves'
Runtime: 78 minutes.
The north deals with the aftermath of the war while Cersei receives an unexpected visitor.
EPISODE 805 - 'Children of the Dragon'
Runtime: 80 minutes
A way out is revealed and Arya meets and old friend.
EPISODE 806 (finale) - 'A Dream of Spring'
Runtime: 80 minutes
Everything that begins must have an end.
Considering Jaime is the central focus of episode 2 (clearly), no alliances were solidified in episode 1, and no plotting occurs beyond Bronn being given Twin's crossbow, I doubt this is more than an informed guess, Hydrus.
As I said in the other thread, we'll know on Sunday if the episode is called Enemies to the East because that is too specific a guess.
As I said in the other thread, we'll know on Sunday if the episode is called Enemies to the East because that is too specific a guess.
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Bran blows King's Landing with a dragon. The show and books have been foreshadowing it for a while now.
Tyrion blowing it up for revenge doesn't really make sense for Show! Tyrion as he didn't let Dany use her dragons against KL because of the possible damage.
I think by solidified, it means Euron and Cersei alliance is, after they have sex. Also with Sansa agreeing to give the north to Dany. So, yes some alliances were solidified in that episode.
The original runtime was that, than it got updated a few weeks ago to the new time.
If this stuff is true, the new enemy Cersei faces from the East is almost certainly Melisandre's return. That title sounds awfully bad though, I don't buy it.
So you think.
BTW I guess Enemy from the East (I think it's bull) could be Toby Osmond's character coming.
This was on in his favorites on his YouTube account.
Actor Toby Osmond to play a "royal role" in Game of Thrones season 8?
So you think.
BTW I guess Enemy from the East (I think it's bull) could be Toby Osmond's character coming.
This was on in his favorites on his YouTube account.
Actor Toby Osmond to play a "royal role" in Game of Thrones season 8?
Forgot about this guy. Very interesting...
Toby Osmond will just end up being the show's version of Darkstar and the new Prince of Dorne, with the Daynes taking over for the Martells. Because this show needs more Darkstar.
Well shit. This thread is actually open spoilers. Derp on me. I'm outta here.
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Becasue she doesnt take the WW threat seriously and the Golden army are just hired guns she bought to destroy Danerys. Seems like something she would do.
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