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With the European Parliament elections coming this weekend, Orbán Viktor is on a quest to absolutely dominate the ballots, as he needs as many mandates in the EP as possible given how the EPP suspended them, and it's entirely possible they will be kicked out entirely past the elections. Fidesz, the party that's been ruling the 'illiberal democracy' in Hungary since 2010, is spending an insane amount of money and effort to make sure they win as many votes as possible while the opposition is sistematically destroyed. These upcoming elections give us a great opportunity to look back at the frauds, irregolarities and tricks used in last years Parliament elections in Hungary, as collected by OpenDemocracy with the help of multiple other websites, universities, civil groups and more.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/br...ing-raises-concerns-fraud-european-elections/

It's a very interesting read, but for those into a TL;DR version, here's some damning quotes that give a couple examples of how the elections were frauded to their favor, and how we can expect them to behave come this weekend as well.

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Handing out voter privileges to people who never lived in Hungary for historical reasons, then abusing of their newly found rights:
Voters in Hungary have two votes in general elections: one for their local MP, and one for a party list. There are long-standing Hungarian communities in Romania, Serbia and Ukraine and, in 2011, the Fidesz government granted them the right to vote for national party lists. They are not eligible to vote for individual constituency candidates unless they also have a registered address in Hungary.
Local press has uncovered huge irregularities in the registration of voters in border precincts. In Szabolcs-Szatmár-Bereg county, one hundred and ten people were registered living in a single two-bed family home, while another single-story house registered 200 people.


Physical manipulation of these foreign votes:
Serbian press reports claimed that the activists of these local Fidesz affiliates opened mail-in ballots for inspection and destroyed those that were not cast for Fidesz.

In total, over 4,000 postal ballots arrived with the required security seal on the envelope either broken or missing.


Allowing people who are "historically" Hungarian but don't live or ever lived in a EU state to vote in the EP elections as well:
Large numbers of people who are ethnic Hungarians but not domiciled in Hungary live outside the EU in Ukraine and Serbia. For the first time, they are permitted to vote in European Parliament elections.


Classic gerrymandering:
Ahead of the 2014 election, Fidesz redrew electoral boundaries without consulting opposition parties or civil society. Unhack Democracy Europe has compiled data from the 2018 election which shows that the party allocated more MPs to areas of the country that ended up giving it more support, with Fidesz getting 6% more votes in smaller seats. As a result, opposition parties would have had to get approximately 300,000 more votes to win the same number of constituencies as Fidesz.


Paying voters and those who help them vote:
In Jász-Nagykun-Szolnok in central Hungary, voters told an opposition delegate that their votes had been bought and election agents had been given money for every person they brought to cast a ballot for Fidesz.

"It is a very poor village and they told me that they got 5000 HUF [€16] each for their vote. The older people were trained and one of their relatives helped. Apparently, those agents who got the voters received 10,000 HUF [€30] per voter they brought, so they amassed millions in [Hungarian] forints [thousands of Euros]."


Threatening people (minorities, mainly) with a loss of welfare or jobs if they don't vote correctly:
Another opposition delegate in Nográd reported that Roma voters told him they were instructed to vote for the "last" candidate on the ballot (Fidesz) and number X on the list in order to keep their benefits and stay in workfare programmes.
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An opposition ballot counting officer in Szabolcs-Szatmár-Bereg told Unhack Democracy Europe that while everyone knew that Ukrainian voters were being bussed in "they don't dare to talk because they are threatened with [losing] public work by the mayor. So if anyone dares to say anything they will be pushed out of public work or won't receive any."


Creating (or at least allowing) fake parties to further divide the opposition:
By law each candidate needs to collect 500 signatures before they can stand for election. In one case, it was revealed that 341 names submitted for the Lendülettel 'business party' were identical to those for the Fidesz candidate. In another Budapest constituency (Zugló) the same fake party had 27 names identical to Fidesz signatures.


Doubts over the actual counting process:
"They changed it at the end for sure. We did not count that amount," she said. Claiming the number of votes recorded for opposition parties was altered after polling day she added: "We counted the ballots but I did not see who filled what and I did not even see what was in it when I signed it."

A different ballot counting officer told us: "What was interesting is that they asked us to sign over the log before we had even opened the envelopes. So they asked us to sign the empty voter log that did not have any numbers [in it yet], just the basic info."


Website malfunction that denied correct voting:
In the run-up to the election the official National Election Office website experienced repeated malfunctions when absentee and embassy voters unsuccessfully attempted to register. A crash on the morning of the election forced them to revert to a backup site, which meant parties were unable to access scanned copies of original precinct voter logs and the records of previous decisions by the National Election Commission. In a unanimous decision that commission condemned the National Election Office for breaking the law by not making previous decisions available on its site.


The election software failed but the official results were comunicated, casting doubts over the actual numbers:
Hungarian votes are counted by hand in polling stations, then the results are submitted online to the national office, where they are added up. We have collected testimonials from ballot counting officers in at least six constituencies across the country who repeatedly referred to this software "freezing" or going down completely on election day.
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Despite the software system failure and closeness of some constituency races, initial results were announced declaring Fidesz' supermajority three hours after polls closed.


This software was made to people with close ties to the government; investigation into them was stopped:
All parliamentary, local and European elections as well as referendums have used the same software contractor, founded by three people from current interior minister Sándor Pintér's inner circle. The companies' successor, IdomSoft Zrt, was nationalised in 2012 and has operated the national election system since 1994.
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An investigation started in 2010 by the Budapest police into voter fraud allegations relating to the election software system was suddenly cut short by the incoming Fidesz government without explanation.


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There is a lot more too, of course, which leads up to the election. The most important is the media presence, with the government owning or being directly tied to giant media conglomerates, which allows them to control the vast majority of the media landscape, which in turn is pushing propaganda and fake news on a regular basis. Character assassination on the opposition, libel on their supporters, and a lack of proper media laws to account for the disparity. Just a reminder: oppositions have the right to appear 5 consecutive minutes on the national TV to showcase their program. National TV or other channels are not legally bound to have them or their views appear at any other point in time.

It's a very thorough article with a lot of research and facts, but in short, it confirms and compiles the reasons why last year's elections in Hungary, which allowed Fidesz to win a supermajority for the third consecutive time. There's reason to think they will use the same tricks to fraud the upcoming EP elections, and for any EU citizen it should be worrying that a member state openly manipulate the votes, which in turn changes the landscape of the entire EU Parliament.
 
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why ungary is in the union again?

Because it was going towards a path of modernization, adopting the values of democracy, building up the economy on sane principles.

Then a government decided to throw the country back by multiple decades in terms of economy, media landscape, instruction, and general culture. The EU is not prepared to deal with EU countries that are actively in to fuck over the EU, and their current checks and balances don't allow them to be kicked out without unanimity: and with allies like Poland (and possibly Italy, Austria, etc.) this won't happen anytime soon.
 
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Thanks for posting the article. It seems pretty damming - highly organised fraud at all levels. And of course there's someone in the comments calling it fake news and screaming about traitor pigs. Eugh..
 
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Thanks for posting the article. It seems pretty damming - highly organised fraud at all levels. And of course there's someone in the comments calling it fake news and screaming about traitor pigs. Eugh..

Not sure which option is sadder: somebody so invested in the disgusting and transparent narrative the Hungarian government is pushing, or some organization close to the government pushed a person to try and discredit a thorough article with barely enough comments underneath it.
 

Micael

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This is why when I voted a few days ago, I completely excluded from my list of potential parties to vote for any that had MEP that had voted against "the situation in Hungary", it is my hardest no no when it comes to the EU elections.
 

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In related news, Donald Trump likened Viktor Orban as "his twin brother."

I thought this story from The Atlantic on Orban's war on intellectuals was fascinating:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/george-soros-viktor-orban-ceu/588070/

Viktor Orbán's War on Intellect
As the Hungarian prime minister systematically undermined his own country's education system, one institution stood defiant: a university in the heart of Budapest, founded by George Soros.

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My crass reaction to it was that I was relieved that Donald Trump is as dumb as he is, because he doesn't have the intellect to use the courts and legislature as Orban has to wage an ideological war in Hungary.