Opinions on Nintendo outsourcing to Bandai Namco Studios
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Well, yeah, but I've noticed people seem in denial of this when it comes to Nintendo.
If it means I can get Metroid Prime 4 AND Star Fox Grand Prix, yeah, I'm down. Reduces the opportunity cost with developers working on certain games. Nintendo can diversify more.
They aren't doing the design, just the foundational work.
As a Japanese studio, they dont make many First Person games. They did Breakdown back in the day, but I honestly can't think of another first person title they've done. Not that it matters much, considering Nintendo rarely does first person style games either. As for single player games, they make plenty. God Eater, Tales of, a variety of anime games (One Piece, Dragon Ball, etc.), Ace Combat, Code Vein.
Practically the only people who can even point at specific elements of BoTW's design and say "that was outsourced" and to whom... are the same 'Nintendo fanchildren' you're calling out with this post. I recall many being hyped because of the implication that MonolithSoft (and not Koh Kojima or Yasuyuki Honne, just 'MonolithSoft'), that group of developers, would be helping with the world design.
Wrong. There's many people that worked on Metroid Prime still on Retro.
All the Senior/Lead positions at Retro nowadays
Prime Series Veterans
President
Michael Kelbaught - Prime 2
Game Director
Ryan Harris - Prime
Creative Director
Vince Joly - Prime 2
Audio Director
Scott Petterson - Prime 2
Lead Programmer
Aaron Walker - Prime 3
Art & Animation Manager
Will Bate - Metroid Prime 3
Lead Artist
Ryan Powell - Prime
Lead Effects Artist
Chuck Crist - Prime
Principal Animator
Dax Pallotta - Prime
Senior Enviromment Artist
Teague Schultz - Prime 2
Sean Horton - Prime 2
Senior Programmers
Jim Gage - Prime
Alexander Quinones - Prime
John Sheblak - Prime Trilogy
Design Supervisor
Bill Vanvervoot - Prime 3
Senior Designer
Russel O Henly - Prime 2
Senior Animator
Stephen Zapros - Prime
Operations Director
Kellie Prinz Johnson - Prime 2
Al Artus
Facilities Manager - Prime
For me it will depend on how Metroid Prime 4 ends up. That's the test for me. They knock that out of the park and they have my complete trust.
I also want Nintendo to build/work with more western studios like Retro. If they had a couple more studios like Retro I think they would be able to plug even more of the last few holes in their annual schedules. They've got the money. I want them to put it to use.
I also want Nintendo to build/work with more western studios like Retro. If they had a couple more studios like Retro I think they would be able to plug even more of the last few holes in their annual schedules. They've got the money. I want them to put it to use.
Just FYI, that wouldn't be the reason, just an additional incentive.
Nintendo owns a stake in Square Enix and that hasn't resulted in anything.
Square Enix has made multiple games with Nintendo, not to mention Nintendo publishing many of their titles in the west. Octopath Traveler being the most recent example.
Some people left, some remained - the point is, current Retro isn't the Retro who made MPT. (Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, neither a good one)
If the game is good who cares? In the end that's all that matters.
Real talk. Oracle of Ages/Seasons are the only LoZ game's I have played to completion.
I know retro isn't doing MP4. That's my entire point. how is it different to let a Namco team do the game than Retro? Let the most qualified devs do the work regardless of ownership.
The director for both Oracle games and Minsih Cap was the director of BotW though.
I doubt todays Capcom would have it in them tbh.
I mean, a Canadian third-party developer pretty much single-handedly turned Waluigi into a fan-favorite.
Why not?
It's a win/win for everyone. Nintendo gets the most from the deal, as they get to continue to leverage their popular IPs and make money, Namco gets to broaden their portfolio of work and deepen their partnership with Nintendo, while strengthening their appeal to other first party publishers (like Sony and Microsoft), who may see the work they're doing with Nintendo and want to see if Namco can work their magic on their platforms, and consumers get more games to play on their Switch, which is in dire need of more titles after a fairly anemic second year by comparison to the other publishing houses.
I'm excited for both Smash and Metroid, but I'm curious why it's an implied negative that Nintendo isn't making every single game in house.
It's a win/win for everyone. Nintendo gets the most from the deal, as they get to continue to leverage their popular IPs and make money, Namco gets to broaden their portfolio of work and deepen their partnership with Nintendo, while strengthening their appeal to other first party publishers (like Sony and Microsoft), who may see the work they're doing with Nintendo and want to see if Namco can work their magic on their platforms, and consumers get more games to play on their Switch, which is in dire need of more titles after a fairly anemic second year by comparison to the other publishing houses.
I'm excited for both Smash and Metroid, but I'm curious why it's an implied negative that Nintendo isn't making every single game in house.
Smash was never made internally at Nintendo, so it doesn't matter who does the work as long as Sakurai is involved.
Metroid has never been the biggest seller. Also, titles that don't come from Miyamoto's team or titles that were born from Gunpei Yokoi's team (Metroid, Kid Icarus, most of the early GB games) don't necessarily get the same zealousness as Mario/Zelda, so it's okay if other companies try their hand at it.
What has Nintendo even made in house for 2018 anyway?
Sushi striker and labo.
Tennis is Camelot.
Bayo 2 platinum
Kirby hal
Dk retro
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Sushi striker and labo.
Tennis is Camelot.
Bayo 2 platinum
Kirby hal
Dk retro
Hyrule warriors koie
I hate giving money to Namco, so it sucks. They are competent, though. Wish they'd care to show some support to Nintendo platforms too.
If they can put out a product on par with what Nintendo or other studios (in this case, HAL) can put out, then I don't see why it's a problem.
With regards to something like Prime 4, there's no guarantee that it would be made otherwise, so I'd rather be okay with getting something as opposed to being unsure if we are getting anything at all.
Just a correction but they don't make god Eater, One Piece and Dragon Ball, those are external development.
Also, is this really outsourcing when Bandai Namco is the actual developer? It's just external development.
Oh good point. Basically all the Bandai stuff they dont actually develop themselves. Just the Namco side.
Now that you said, yeah, their Bandai side is all external. I never thought about it before but makes sense since they did the same in the past before the merger and they had no division or studios.
I think you're assuming a lot about how much of the workload BN is handling.
Bandai Namco are definitely involved in Metroid Prime 4. Many of the people that worked on Star Wars 1313 are working on it.
I think they should do that much more. They're not getting satisfactory third party support and as a result, their lineup is trash when the first party studios don't have anything to release. Nintendo has money; I'd like them to use it to outsource more games, possibly new IPs by studios which value their freedom as Platinum.
They are involved, yes.
The project is not completely outsourced to them. You are assuming too much.
Retro had a shit ton of baggage before getting prime and was absolutely horribly run up to that point (though granted a lot of that might not have been public knowledge at the time). Unless you're suggesting the ones with baggage were Retro and not BN
What? lol What are you talking about? Nintendo only have 4 studios and only three of them are lead developers. Their division of development Nintendo EPD don't release that many games per year and their past ones which were EAD and SPD also didn't. Most of what Nintendo publish and published in their history are made by external developers aka third party companies.
Just look at their release in history and you'll see that Nintendo already does it.
They did the GBA port of Link to the Past and made the original 4 Swords.
Will MP4 be one of the first-ever Japanese-developed FPS games? That should be cool.
Regardless, as others have mentioned, they did a great job on Smash 4 so keep it coming!
Regardless, as others have mentioned, they did a great job on Smash 4 so keep it coming!
I don't understand why this is so hard for so many people to understand
Lol, actually there was a Japanese developed first person shooter/action game called Breakdown for the Xbox, coincidentally developed by Namco